[NatureNS] red lily beetles!

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Hi DaveMy memory of potatoes =A0- dim as it is - of those days was picking =
bugs was a chore. We then used Blackleaf 40 - a concoction made by soaking =
tobacco leaves in water. The Bordeaux mixture was then used to prevent late=
 blight. Very effective as a spray I might add but tended to plug the spray=
 nozzles so spraying was a slow process. By omitting the lime, the copper s=
ulfate alone killed the tops so was effective against late blight that rott=
ed the tubers. I think these things are still allowed for organic growers.P=
rehaps Blackleaf 40 would work against these beatles?Paul


--- On Mon, 5/9/11, David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:

From: David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] red lily beetles!
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Received: Monday, May 9, 2011, 10:49 AM

=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0AHi Jim & All,=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =0A=A0=A0=A0=
 =A0=A0=A0 May 9, 2011=0A=A0=A0=A0 Picking insects takes me back to the ear=
ly =0A40's when for a=A0while we controlled the Colorado Potato Beetle by p=
icking =0Athe larvae from potato plants. =0A=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0 Then we got rea=
lly advanced and made =0ABordeaux mixture=A0by crushing copper sulfate and=
=A0mixing the powder with =0Ahydrated lime. This was applied=A0using a shak=
er made from a square of burlap =0Abag.=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0 I had assumed =
that the Cu killed the larvae =0Abut Lochhead (1919; Economic Entomology) c=
alls Bordeaux a repellant for Flea =0ABeetles and Striped Cucumber Beetles =
when applied as a spray.=0A=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0 So Bordeaux spray might be effec=
tive (if =0Aallowed) but=A0I wonder=A0if avoiding host plants as ornamental=
s would not =0Abe most effective. =0A=A0=0AYt, Dave Webster=0A----- Origina=
l Message ----- =0A=0A  From: =0A  James W. =0A  Wolford =0A  To: NatureNS =
=0A  Cc: Chris Majka =0A  Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 11:11 PM=0A  Subject: =
[NatureNS] red lily =0A  beetles!=0A =20
Picking them did work for us here in Wolfville, although we =0A  didn't hav=
e very many tiger lilies -- that was several years ago, and we had =0A  onl=
y a few beetles in the following year, none since then that we have seen. =
=0A  =A0Jim in Wolfville
=0A =20
=0A  Begin forwarded message:
=0A  =0A    From: Lois Codling <loiscodling@hfx.eastlink.ca>=0A    Date: Ma=
y 8, 2011 9:50:43 PM =0A    ADT=0A    To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=0A    Sub=
ject: Re: [NatureNS] Red =0A    Lily beetles!=0A    Reply-To: naturens@cheb=
ucto.ns.ca=0A   =20
Aren't they awful, =0A    Angela?=A0 I used to have a lot of lilies, variou=
s kinds, but thanks to =0A    these monsters I now have none.=A0 Have read =
in gardening mags. that the =0A    best way to deal with them is hand picki=
ng, as you have done.=A0 I wasn't =0A    able to keep up with them.=A0 Good=
 luck!

Lois Codling

On =0A    08/05/2011 9:37 PM, AngelaJoudrey wrote: =0A    While =0A      ou=
t and about weeding this evening, I found red lily beetles. =0A      Argh.

Once I saw the eaten leaves on the lillies, it was much =0A      easier to =
squish them to thier death and let them rot into the =0A      ground.

Has anyone tried Neem oil? Or dish soap and water as a =0A      spray?

I think I might just pull them up and replant them on a dog =0A      walkin=
g trail far from the gardens, which is just transplanting the =0A      prob=
lem I guess, however I'm having a hard time ripping out the plants =0A     =
 after they survived the winter.

Angela in Windsor =0A      =0A=0A      No virus found in this =0A      mess=
age.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus =0A      Database: 1500/3623 - Release Date: =0A=
      05/07/11--Boundary_(ID_Yroi+SPx+qM6acvFsUfEBQ)-- =0A =20
=0A  =0A=0A  No virus found in this =0A  message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Hi Dave<div>My memory of potatoes &nbsp;- dim=
 as it is - of those days was picking bugs was a chore. We then used Blackl=
eaf 40 - a concoction made by soaking tobacco leaves in water. The Bordeaux=
 mixture was then used to prevent late blight. Very effective as a spray I =
might add but tended to plug the spray nozzles so spraying was a slow proce=
ss. By omitting the lime, the copper sulfate alone killed the tops so was e=
ffective against late blight that rotted the tubers. I think these things a=
re still allowed for organic growers.</div><div>Prehaps Blackleaf 40 would =
work against these beatles?</div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div><div><br><br=
>--- On <b>Mon, 5/9/11, David &amp; Alison Webster <i>&lt;dwebster@glinx.co=
m&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16,=
 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: David &amp; Alis=
on
 Webster &lt;dwebster@glinx.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] red lily bee=
tles!<br>To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<br>Received: Monday, May 9, 2011, 10:4=
9 AM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv956122908">=0A=0A =0A =0A<style></style>=0A=0A=0A=
=0A =0A<div><font size=3D"2">Hi Jim &amp; All,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; =0A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; May 9, 2011</font></div>=
=0A<div><font size=3D"2">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Picking insects takes me back t=
o the early =0A40's when for a&nbsp;while we controlled the Colorado Potato=
 Beetle by picking =0Athe larvae from potato plants. </font></div>=0A<div><=
font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; Then we got really advanced and made =0ABordeaux mixture&nbsp;by crushi=
ng copper sulfate and&nbsp;mixing the powder with =0Ahydrated lime. This wa=
s applied&nbsp;using a shaker made from a square of burlap =0Abag.&nbsp;</f=
ont></div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><font size=3D=
"2">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I had assumed that the Cu killed the larvae =0Abut L=
ochhead (1919; Economic Entomology) calls Bordeaux a repellant for Flea =0A=
Beetles and Striped Cucumber Beetles when applied as a spray.</font></div>=
=0A<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; So Bordeaux spray might be effective (if =0Aallowed) but&nbsp;=
I wonder&nbsp;if avoiding host plants as ornamentals would not =0Abe most e=
ffective. </font></div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>=
<font size=3D"2">Yt, Dave Webster</font></div>=0A<div>----- Original Messag=
e ----- </div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#000000 2px solid;PADDING=
-LEFT:5px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px;" dir=3D"ltr">=
=0A  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b> =0A  <=
a rel=3D"nofollow" title=3D"jimwolford@eastlink.ca" ymailto=3D"mailto:jimwo=
lford@eastlink.ca" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Djimwolford@ea=
stlink.ca">James W. =0A  Wolford</a> </div>=0A  <div style=3D"FONT:10pt ari=
al;"><b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" title=3D"naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" ymail=
to=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose=
?to=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca">NatureNS</a> </div>=0A  <div style=3D"FONT:1=
0pt arial;"><b>Cc:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" title=3D"c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca=
" ymailto=3D"mailto:c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/=
compose?to=3Dc.majka@ns.sympatico.ca">Chris Majka</a> </div>=0A  <div style=
=3D"FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 08, 2011 11:11 PM</div>=0A  =
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> [NatureNS] red lily =0A  be=
etles!</div>=0A  <div><br></div>Picking them did work for us here in Wolfvi=
lle, although we =0A  didn't have very many tiger lilies -- that was severa=
l years ago, and we had =0A  only a few beetles in the following year, none=
 since then that we have seen. =0A  &nbsp;Jim in Wolfville<br>=0A  <div><br=
>=0A  <div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class=3D"yiv956122908Apple-int=
erchange-newline">=0A  <blockquote type=3D"cite">=0A    <div style=3D"MARGI=
N:0px;"><font style=3D"FONT:12px Helvetica;COLOR:#000000;" color=3D"#000000=
" size=3D"3" face=3D"Helvetica"><b>From: </b></font><font style=3D"FONT:12p=
x Helvetica;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Helvetica">Lois Codling &lt;<a rel=3D"nofo=
llow" ymailto=3D"mailto:loiscodling@hfx.eastlink.ca" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dloiscodling@hfx.eastlink.ca">loiscodling@hfx.eastlink.=
ca</a>&gt;</font></div>=0A    <div style=3D"MARGIN:0px;"><font style=3D"FON=
T:12px Helvetica;COLOR:#000000;" color=3D"#000000" size=3D"3" face=3D"Helve=
tica"><b>Date: </b></font><font style=3D"FONT:12px Helvetica;" size=3D"3" f=
ace=3D"Helvetica">May 8, 2011 9:50:43 PM =0A    ADT</font></div>=0A    <div=
 style=3D"MARGIN:0px;"><font style=3D"FONT:12px Helvetica;COLOR:#000000;" c=
olor=3D"#000000" size=3D"3" face=3D"Helvetica"><b>To: </b></font><font styl=
e=3D"FONT:12px Helvetica;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Helvetica"><a rel=3D"nofollow=
" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/=
compose?to=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></font></d=
iv>=0A    <div style=3D"MARGIN:0px;"><font style=3D"FONT:12px Helvetica;COL=
OR:#000000;" color=3D"#000000" size=3D"3" face=3D"Helvetica"><b>Subject: </=
b></font><font style=3D"FONT:12px Helvetica;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Helvetica"=
><b>Re: [NatureNS] Red =0A    Lily beetles!</b></font></div>=0A    <div sty=
le=3D"MARGIN:0px;"><font style=3D"FONT:12px Helvetica;COLOR:#000000;" color=
=3D"#000000" size=3D"3" face=3D"Helvetica"><b>Reply-To: </b></font><font st=
yle=3D"FONT:12px Helvetica;" size=3D"3" face=3D"Helvetica"><a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/m=
c/compose?to=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></font><=
/div>=0A    <div style=3D"MARGIN:0px;MIN-HEIGHT:14px;"><br></div>Aren't the=
y awful, =0A    Angela?&nbsp; I used to have a lot of lilies, various kinds=
, but thanks to =0A    these monsters I now have none.&nbsp; Have read in g=
ardening mags. that the =0A    best way to deal with them is hand picking, =
as you have done.&nbsp; I wasn't =0A    able to keep up with them.&nbsp; Go=
od luck!<br><br>Lois Codling<br><br>On =0A    08/05/2011 9:37 PM, AngelaJou=
drey wrote: =0A    <blockquote type=3D"cite">While =0A      out and about w=
eeding this evening, I found red lily beetles. =0A      Argh.<br><br>Once I=
 saw the eaten leaves on the lillies, it was much =0A      easier to squish=
 them to thier death and let them rot into the =0A      ground.<br><br>Has =
anyone tried Neem oil? Or dish soap and water as a =0A      spray?<br><br>I=
 think I might just pull them up and replant them on a dog =0A      walking=
 trail far from the gardens, which is just transplanting the =0A      probl=
em I guess, however I'm having a hard time ripping out the plants =0A      =
after they survived the winter.<br><br>Angela in Windsor =0A      <hr size=
=3D"1" noshade=3D"">=0A=0A      <p class=3D"yiv956122908avgcert" align=3D"l=
eft">No virus found in this =0A      message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a rel=3D=
"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</a><br=
>Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus =0A      Database: 1500/3623 - Release Date: =
=0A      05/07/11</p>--Boundary_(ID_Yroi+SPx+qM6acvFsUfEBQ)-- =0A  </blockq=
uote></blockquote></div><br>=0A  <hr size=3D"1" noshade=3D"">=0A=0A  <p cla=
ss=3D"yiv956122908avgcert" align=3D"left">No virus found in this =0A  messa=
ge.<br>Checked by AVG - <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:=
//www.avg.com">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus =0A  Database:=
 1500/3624 - Release Date: 05/08/11</p></blockquote> =0A</div></blockquote>=
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