[NatureNS] Farmed Salmon

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 06:04:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul MacDonald <paulrita2001@yahoo.com>
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Yes Dave - Salmon number on the Miramichi have never been higher=0Aand reco=
rds go back maybe 50 years. Newfoundland rivers and Quebec Rivers=A0=0Aalso=
. All on the internet but it takes time to dig them out - easier to express=
 opinions=0Athan to get the facts - LOL=0AThe numbers are a function of 2 m=
ain factors - the number of fish available to return=0Aand the amount of wa=
ter in the rivers plus the interaction between the two and variables.=0Asuc=
h as the spring tides corresponding to the major returns, rain at that time=
.=0AOn the Lahave the counter is at Morgan Falls at New Germany. Only the f=
ish that=0Ago up the falls are counted - fish that go up other branchs or s=
tay in the main river=0Adon't make the count so the count at Morgan Falls i=
s a good indicator of the total=0Areturn but is not the number of fish ente=
ring the river. The counter used to be open to the=A0=0Apublic and had a te=
lephone number that gave the up to date count. Perhaps will be=0Athis year =
also but I haven't visited or called lately.=0ACounters are kept at many ot=
her rivers in Atlantic Canada - all on the www.=0AThis year looks like the =
counts will be down - not for lack of fish but lack of water.=0AWe definite=
ly need a few good rains - perhaps the farmers should get the hay =A0up soo=
n!=0AHave a nice spring=0APaul=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=
=0A From: David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>=0ATo: naturens@chebuc=
to.ns.ca =0ASent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:22:20 PM=0ASubject: Re: [NatureN=
S] Farmed Salmon=0A =0A=0A =0AHi Paul, Jim=A0& All,=A0=A0=A0 =0A=A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 June =0A12, 2012=0A=A0=A0=A0 If I understand =
you correctly Paul, the =0Aruns on the NB rivers that empty into the Gulf o=
f SL were unusually high last =0Ayear. Have I got that straight ? If so the=
n that is very good news. How far back =0Ado the records go ? =0A=A0=0A=A0=
=A0=A0 Drawing on memory, all of the famous Salmon =0Arivers in NB=A0emptie=
d into the Gulf. For many years, every road end along =0AFundy beaches had =
a weir and salmon were caught. As weir owners died these weir =0Arights die=
d with them in most cases (some owners fought and managed to have them =0Ap=
assed on I think), as I recall, on the assumption that weir catches were =
=0Aimpacting salmon runs. =0A=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0 Everything I know about Salmon=
 and =0Aaquaculture=A0could be printed on a thumbnail but when I hear peopl=
e asking =0Ato have=A0Salmon farms=A0moved inland to=A0save wild Salmon=A0o=
r the =0ARockies moved east so Saskatchewan won't be so flat, I have a feel=
ing that my =0Athumbnail counts as an ace.=0A=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0 Building Salmo=
n ponds on land near the =0Acoast, maintaining adequate O2levels, =0Afilter=
ing out the waste and composting this waste=A0would be energy =0Aintensive,=
 at a time when energy conservation should be a top priority, =0Aresources =
intensive (for e.g. pond linings, pumps, retaining walls, waste water =0Aco=
nduits),=A0the land for this would cost a bundle and those who own =0Aexpen=
sive costal property might not welcome industrial ponds next door=A0and =0A=
the additional cost=A0might well put another industry out of business. We =
=0Aneed jobs, food and tax revenue so solutions have to be realistic.=0A=A0=
=0AMy 2 cents as they say, rounded up to a nickle =0Anow.=0ADave Webster, K=
entville=0A=A0=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Paul  MacDonald =0A>=
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:30 =0AAM=0A>=
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Farmed  Salmon=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi Dave=0A>Good points yo=
u bring out.=0A>The whole question has brought out people with lots of  opi=
nions=0A>but with very little knowledge. But that never stops the Media  ty=
pes - LOL!=0A>The wild salmon population in the Gulf of St Lawrence rivers =
was at  an all time=0A>record as long as records were kept. That was last y=
ear.  Newfoundland rivers the=0A>same with some exceptions as were European=
 Rivers.=0A>A couple of rivers in Maine had large runs but the Bay of Fundy=
 and  Atlantic Coast=0A>rivers were low. All =A0the while the Natives and D=
OF play their  chess game so its=0A>hard to know if the population is going=
 up, down or  sideways.=0A>Nova =A0Scotia Rivers have big problems - the Me=
rsey with dams,  the Lahave with chain=0A>picheral and so on but instead of=
 trying to solve these problems  the media want=A0=0A>to wage war on the Fi=
sh Farms - go figure - guess they want  something sexy=0A>where they can fi=
nd a villian. Sure not going to help the  fish.=0A>Have a nice day=0A>Paul=
=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> From: =
David & Alison Webster  <dwebster@glinx.com>=0A>To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=
 =0A>Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:34:16  PM=0A>Subject: Re: [NatureNS]  Fa=
rmed Salmon=0A>=0A>Hi Sandy & All,=A0 =A0 =A0 =0A  =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 June 11, 2012=0A>=A0 The =0A  question that nags is: Would salmon have =
declined to the same extent (or =0A  nearly the same) if there had been no =
aquaculture ?=0A>=0A>=A0 Public =0A  pressure (perhaps misinformed pressure=
) may force the industry to undergo a =0A  modern version of ordeal by wate=
r; the original being you are innocent if you =0A  sink and drown but if yo=
u rise alive to the surface then you are guilty and =0A  burned at the stak=
e. So this is not just an academic question.=0A>=0A>=A0 =0A  Drawing on mem=
ory, e.g. poor salmon runs in some NB rivers as early as 1950 =0A  led to a=
 program to control Mergansers way before farmed salmon (I think). =0A  Als=
o salmon runs along the South and Eastern shore have been in decline for 5 =
=0A  decades or more. how can aquaculture have caused this ? Have acid rain=
 and =0A  overfishing in the ocean had no effects after all ?=0A>=0A>=A0 As=
suming =0A  that sea lice