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Hi Paul,
Your reference to spars must then be a lost tourist who got on the =
wrong train of thought; an oaken train.
Last evening I came across an interesting item about wood in an old =
Smithsonian: Question-- What do you do for termites ? Answer-- Give them =
small wooden sandwiches.=20
Yt, DW
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Paul MacDonald=20
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] old oak
Hi Dave
Did someone say oak was used for spars?
Never saw that.
Have a nice day
Paul
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From: David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:30:27 PM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] old oak
Hi Paul & All, Sept 26, 2012
Someone who knows about the days of iron men & wooden ships may =
know better but I think the spars (not masts) were usually made of =
Spruce. Oak was for ribs, brackets & planking but not for =
superstructure.
And on the subject of slow growing trees some good examples can be =
found on the barrens between the Clyburn River in Cape Breton and =
Two-Island Lake. I camped there a few times, in a previous life, and one =
dead hip-high spruce tree about 100 years old and 10 mm diameter would =
boil a pot of water for oxo or tea; almost solid wood.
Getting back to Oak, it may sound counter-intuitive, but wood from =
a rapidly growing Oak (probably all trees) is stronger than wood from a =
slow growing tree. I suspect this is because wood from a tree with wider =
rings is more supple, i.e. can bend without breaking whereas wood with =
mostly thick-walled cells is more brittle.
Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Paul MacDonald=20
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] old oak
You started a very interesting discussion Heather
Nothing anyone said rules out a 400 year old oak. Documented=20
trees 300 plus leave quite a bit of variation possible in the
dying age. The half life will be much less of course but ones
at the end of the scale might easily get over the 400.
Oak in the 1800 - 1875 period of wooden ships were sought
wherever they could be found. The beautiful fall foliage made it
hard for them to hide! And the lads were good at handling big logs.
They didn't get spars at the building supply store.
They removed most of the large oak at that period especially=20
where it was easy to do - PEI for example, no stones, hills not too =
steep=20
and lots of horses and a good demand.=20
I would be susprised if you could find one there over 200 years old. =
And to see some of the things I see in the deep woods make me
believe there wasn't much of NS left to chance for a big tree. =
Spruce or oak!
Have a nice fall
Paul
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From: Heather Drope <heather.drope@ns.sympatico.ca>
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:15:41 PM
Subject: [NatureNS] old oak
As we speak, it could be being up rooted. I had not realized how big =
around this tree was before the land was sold or I would have documented =
the size for the Big Tree listing on NatureNS web site. Too late now.. I =
am not going to trespass on to this land.=20
Heather..=20
Heather Drope
Nova Scotia Wild Flora Society
www.nswildflora.ca
902-440-5032
We do not see nature with our eyes,=20
but with our understandings and our hearts.=20
W. Hazlett
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hi Paul,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> Your reference to spars must then =
be a lost=20
tourist who got on the wrong train of thought; an oaken =
train.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> Last evening I came =
across an=20
interesting item about wood in an old Smithsonian: Question-- What do =
you do for=20
termites ? Answer-- Give them small wooden sandwiches. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> Yt, DW</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dpaulrita2001@yahoo.com =
href=3D"mailto:paulrita2001@yahoo.com">Paul=20
MacDonald</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 26, =
2012 10:02=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] old =
oak</DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new =
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<DIV><SPAN>Hi Dave</SPAN></DIV>
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rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>Did=20
someone say oak was used for spars?</SPAN></DIV>
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saw that.</SPAN></DIV>
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a nice day</SPAN></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> David & =
Alison Webster=20
<<A =
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=20
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href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> =
<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, September 26, =
2012=20
9:30:27 PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> =
Re:=20
[NatureNS] old oak<BR></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hi Paul & All, =
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=
=20
Sept 26, 2012</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> Someone who knows about the =
days of iron=20
men & wooden ships may know better but I think the spars (not =
masts) were=20
usually made of Spruce. Oak was for ribs, brackets & planking =
but not=20
for superstructure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> And on the subject of slow =
growing trees=20
some good examples can be found on the barrens between the Clyburn=20
River in Cape Breton and Two-Island Lake. I camped there a few =
times, in=20
a previous life, and one dead hip-high spruce tree about 100 =
years=20
old and 10 mm diameter would boil a pot of water for oxo or tea; =
almost solid=20
wood.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> Getting back to Oak, it may =
sound=20
counter-intuitive, but wood from a rapidly growing Oak (probably all =
trees) is=20
stronger than wood from a slow growing tree. I suspect this is because =
wood=20
from a tree with wider rings is more supple, i.e. can bend without =
breaking=20
whereas wood with mostly thick-walled cells is more =
brittle.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
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arial"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dpaulrita2001@yahoo.com =
href=3D"mailto:paulrita2001@yahoo.com"=20
rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank =
ymailto=3D"mailto:paulrita2001@yahoo.com">Paul=20
MacDonald</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" rel=3Dnofollow =
target=3D_blank=20
=
ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 25, =
2012 3:37=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] old =
oak</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<DIV><SPAN>You started a very interesting discussion =
Heather</SPAN></DIV>
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FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>Nothing=20
anyone said rules out a 400 year old oak. =
Documented </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>trees=20
300 plus leave quite a bit of variation possible in the</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>dying=20
age. The half life will be much less of course but ones</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>at=20
the end of the scale might easily get over the 400.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>Oak=20
in the 1800 - 1875 period of wooden ships were sought</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>wherever=20
they could be found. The beautiful fall foliage made it</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>hard=20
for them to hide! And the lads were good at handling big =
logs.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>They=20
didn't get spars at the building supply store.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>They=20
removed most of the large oak at that period =
especially </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>where=20
it was easy to do - PEI for example, no stones, hills not too=20
steep </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>and=20
lots of horses and a good demand. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>I=20
would be susprised if you could find one there over 200 years=20
old. <BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>And=20
to see some of the things </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">I see in the deep woods make =
me</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">believe there wasn't much of =
NS=20
left </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">to =
chance for a=20
big tree. Spruce or oak!</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV=20
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FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Have a nice =
fall</SPAN><BR></DIV>
<DIV=20
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<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Heather Drope=20
<heather.drope@ns.sympatico.ca><BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, =
September=20
25, 2012 2:15:41 PM<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NatureNS] old=20
oak<BR></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">As we speak,=20
it could be being up rooted. I had not realized how big around this =
tree was=20
before the land was sold or I would have documented the size for the =
Big=20
Tree listing on NatureNS web site. Too late now.. I am not going to =
trespass=20
on to this land. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Heather..=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><I>Heather Drope</I></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><I>Nova Scotia Wild Flora=20
Society</I></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt"><I>www.nswildflora.ca</I></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><I>902-440-5032</I></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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with our understandings and our hearts. </I></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><I> W.=20
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