[NatureNS] Ticks Out - the Permethrin Option.. differences

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Just as a side note... I believe they use it to kill scabies by coating 
your whole body in it. 
  =C2=A0
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On Tue, 6 May 2014 00:42:29 +0000, David Patriquin  wrote:

         Just to be clear, there is a big difference between 
permethrin-treated clothing, and permethrin in spays for gardens 
plants, dogs,=C2=A0 etc. 

  I have not been a fan of the latter, or even pyrethrum (the fully 
natural chemical) and have criticized the latter being allowed under 
HRM's Pesticide By-law and now under provincial legislation because of 
its broad spectrum effects and effects on aquatic life in particular 
(see http://versicolor.ca/lawns/docs/updateAug07.html )

  Permethrin applied appropriately to clothing using the appropriate 
forumulation binds to fabrics and is NOT released even when washed 
(or=C2=A0is=C2=A0released=C2=A0very=C2=A0gradually)=C2=A0but remains toxic =
to insects 
landing on the clothing. Thus it is much safer than, for example, 
applying it directly to the body (although that is done for treatment 
of lice).=C2=A0 The only possible adverse environmental effect I could 
imagine would be disposal of the clothing, but even if it were dropped 
in a stream, I think there would be very 
little=C2=A0effect=C2=A0except=C2=A0at=C2=A0the=C2=A0surface=C2=A0of=C2=A0t=
he=C2=A0fabric.=C2=A0=C2=A0

  
There=C2=A0is=C2=A0a=C2=A0growing=C2=A0issue=C2=A0with=C2=A0widespread=C2=
=A0and=C2=A0increasing=C2=A0use=C2=A0of=C2=A0pyrethroids=C2=A0as=C2=A0=C2=
=A0pesticides=C2=A0
  more=C2=A0toxic=C2=A0to=C2=A0humans 
=C2=A0are=C2=A0phased=C2=A0out=C2=A0but=C2=A0that=C2=A0is=C2=A0in=C2=A0no=
=C2=A0way=C2=A0related=C2=A0to=C2=A0use=C2=A0of=C2=A0permethrin-treated=C2=
=A0clothing. 

See
  =C2=A0http://www.textilescience.ca/downloads/Arielle_Orteza_Report.pdf
  for=C2=A0some=C2=A0testing=C2=A0of permethrin-treated=C2=A0clothing=C2=A0

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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca  on behalf of Mary Macaulay
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:41 PM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Ticks Out - the Permethrin Option =C2=A0
   I hope people will consider very carefully before applying such 
pesticides as bug b gon and others to their lawns and gardens. Google 
them and check their toxicity to pollinators and other beneficial 
insects. Surely at least those on this nature living list can be 
leaders, communicators and advocates for dealing with the less than 2% 
of insects considered pests in other ways rather than these incredibly 
poisonous treatments.=C2=A0
  As for ticks. Tuck your pant legs in your socks, wear bug jackets and 
gloves etc. Washing pesticide soaked clothing introduces these 
chemicals into our water.=C2=A0
Pyrethroids have been found to be unaffected by secondary treatment 
systems at municipal wastewater treatment facilities. They appear in 
the effluent, usually at levels lethal to invertebrates. 

With kindest regards Mary (Macaulay)
  marymacaulay@hotmail.com
  @maryemacaulay

On May 5, 2014, at 8:15 PM, "Dave&Jane Schlosberg"  wrote:

        "Bug B Gon"--widely available hereabouts. =C2=A0It has pyrethrin. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Schappert
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:04 PM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Ticks Out - the Permethrin Option

At 6:49 PM -0300 5/5/14, Dave&Jane Schlosberg wrote:

       Permethrin is the chemical form of pyrethrin, which comes from

       chrysanthemums. =C2=A0=C2=A0Pyrethrin is available in many insectici=
des sold in

       garden stores. =C2=A0It is said to irritate skin, but we sprayed it =
on the

       bottoms of pants and shirt cuffs. =C2=A0We haven=E2=A4=81t had any t=
icks 
(yet!) on us. 

       Or skin irritation. 

A minor correction, Jane, permethrin is the
man-made analog of pyrethrin and permethrin is
available in far more insecticides than pyrethrin
(because permethrin has a longer shelf-life, a
longer active period and is cheaper to include in
insecticide formulation). 

Phil

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_mce_style=3D"font-size: 14pt;">Just to be clear, there is a big difference
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ants,
dogs,=C2=A0 etc.</span><br _mce_style=3D""></span></p>
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Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">I have not been a fan of the latter, or even
pyrethrum (the fully natural chemical) and have criticized the latter being
allowed under HRM's Pesticide By-law and now under provincial legislation
because of its broad spectrum effects and effects on aquatic life in partic=
ular
(see http://versicolor.ca/lawns/docs/updateAug07.html )<br
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sing
the appropriate forumulation binds to fabrics and is NOT released even when
washed (or=C2=A0is=C2=A0released=C2=A0very=C2=A0gradually)=C2=A0but remains=
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on the clothing. Thus it is much safer than, for example, applying it direc=
tly
to the body (although that is done for treatment of lice).=C2=A0 The only p=
ossible
adverse environmental effect I could imagine would be disposal of the cloth=
ing,
but even if it were dropped in a stream, I think there would be very
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id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42" _mce_style=3D""></span></span></p>
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id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42" _mce_style=3D"">See</span></span></p>
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id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42" style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" _mce_style=3D"font-family:
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">=C2=A0<a id=3D"lnk984962"
href=3D"http://www.textilescience.ca/downloads/Arielle_Orteza_Report.pdf"
target=3D"">http://www.textilescience.ca/downloads/Arielle_Orteza_Report.pd=
f</a></span></p>
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6667px;
background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style=3D"FONT-FAM=
ILY:
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" _mce_style=3D"font-family:
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">for=C2=A0some=C2=A0testing=C2=A0of
permethrin-treated=C2=A0clothing=C2=A0<br _mce_style=3D""><span
id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42" _mce_style=3D""></span><span
id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42" _mce_style=3D""></span></span></p>
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Light,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; COLOR:
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"
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HelveticaNeue-Light,Helvetica Neue Light,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Luc=
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id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42" _mce_style=3D""></span></p>
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e
Light,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; COLOR:
rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"
_mce_style=3D"color: #000000; font-size: 18.6667px; font-family:
HelveticaNeue-Light,Helvetica Neue Light,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Luc=
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<p><br></p>
<div style=3D"COLOR: rgb(40,40,40)" dir=3D"auto">
<hr style=3D"DISPLAY: inline-block; WIDTH: 98%" tabindex=3D"-1"><div
id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" color=3D"#=
000000"
face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" _mce_style=3D"font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:</b>
naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca &lt;naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca&gt; on beha=
lf of
Mary Macaulay &lt;Marymacaulay@hotmail.com&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May =
05,
2014 8:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<br><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[NatureNS] Ticks Out - the Permethrin Option</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div>
<div>
<div _mce_style=3D"">I hope people will consider very carefully before appl=
ying
such pesticides as bug b gon and others to their lawns and gardens. Google =
them
and check their toxicity to pollinators and other beneficial insects. Surel=
y at
least those on this nature living list can be leaders, communicators and
advocates for dealing with the less than 2% of insects considered pests in =
other
ways rather than these incredibly poisonous treatments.=C2=A0</div>
<div><span _mce_style=3D"">As for ticks. Tuck your pant legs in your socks,=
 wear
bug jackets and gloves etc. Washing pesticide soaked clothing introduces th=
ese
chemicals into our water.=C2=A0</span><br><span _mce_style=3D"">Pyrethroids=
 have been
found to be unaffected by secondary treatment systems at municipal wastewat=
er
treatment facilities. They appear in the effluent, usually at levels lethal=
 to
invertebrates.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14px" _mce_style=3D"font-size:
14px;"><br></span><span _mce_style=3D"">With kindest regards</span>
<div _mce_style=3D"">Mary (Macaulay)</div>
<div _mce_style=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:marymacaulay@hotmail.com"
target=3D"">marymacaulay@hotmail.com</a></div>
<div _mce_style=3D"">@maryemacaulay</div></div>
<div _mce_style=3D""><br>On May 5, 2014, at 8:15 PM, "Dave&amp;Jane Schlosb=
erg"
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dschlosb-g@ns.sympatico.ca"
target=3D"">dschlosb-g@ns.sympatico.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" _mce_style=3D"">
<div><span>"Bug B Gon"--widely available hereabouts. =C2=A0It has
pyrethrin.</span><br><br><span>-----Original Message----- </span><br><span>=
From:
Phil Schappert</span><br><span>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:04
PM</span><br><span>To: <a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca"
target=3D"">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [Natur=
eNS]
Ticks Out - the Permethrin Option</span><br><br><span>At 6:49 PM -0300 5/5/=
14,
Dave&amp;Jane Schlosberg wrote:</span><br><blockquote
type=3D"cite"><span>Permethrin is the chemical form of pyrethrin, which com=
es from
</span><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>chrysanthemums. =C2=A0=C2=A0Pyrethrin is av=
ailable in many
insecticides sold in </span><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>garden stores. =C2=A0It is said to irritate=
 skin, but
we sprayed it on the </span><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>bottoms of pants and shirt cuffs. =C2=A0We =
haven=E2=A4=81t
had any ticks (yet!) on us. </span><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Or skin
irritation.</span><br></blockquote><br><span>A minor correction, Jane,
permethrin is the</span><br><span>man-made analog of pyrethrin and permethr=
in
is</span><br><span>available in far more insecticides than
pyrethrin</span><br><span>(because permethrin has a longer shelf-life,
a</span><br><span>longer active period and is cheaper to include
in</span><br><span>insecticide
formulation).</span><br><br><span>Phil</span><br><br><span>--
</span><br><br><span>Phil Schappert, PhD</span><br><br><span>27 Clovis
Ave.</span><br><span>Halifax, NS, B3P 1J3</span><br><span>902-460-8343
(cell)</span><br><br><span><a href=3D"http://philschappert.com"
target=3D"">philschappert.com</a></span><br><span><a
href=3D"http://imaginaturestudio.ca"
target=3D"">imaginaturestudio.ca</a></span><br><span><a
href=3D"http://philschappert.ca"
target=3D"">philschappert.ca</a></span><br><br><span>"Just let imagination =
lead,
reality will follow
through..."</span><br><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0(Michael
Hedges) </span><br><br></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockqu=
ote>
<p><br><br></p>
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