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>> Mallards and Pied-billed Grebes (2 pairs) ha --089e0141a5e2d6439704fc959370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm with Kieth. I don't see much value in a mother removing a turtle or anything else to pacify a screaming child. Not exactly legitimate research or educational justification. Jamie Simpson On Jun 24, 2014 11:02 AM, "Paul MacDonald" <paulrita2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > Well Fred I agree with you. > Dave is a source of knowledge like no other in the area. > He has given me good advice on many occasions. > I know that I do drag a red herring across his path from time to time and > that sets him baying - I shall not do that the next time! > As far as dogs, kids and so on unfortunately building a marsh next to Tow= n > does create problems of that kind. I do not have a solution. > My turtle story is many years ago I took out a fellow to a marsh to let > him see it. His wife had just knitted him a beautiful white sweater, all > fluffy and as it was a cool Sept day it was perfect. > We saw a small turtle and he insisted to take it home to show his kids. H= e > held it in his hands as we drove along. Just then I heard him scream STOP= - > which I did on a little bridge. The turtle wore up stuck its legs and > he was running in place - shredding the sweater before we got stopped it > urinated over his stomach and dyed the sweater a marsh brown. Amazing how > much urine in a small turtle. We tossed the turtle over the little bridge > into the water. > When we got him home his wife had kind words for him. They were in French > so thankfully I didn't understand. We didn't make any more trips to the > marsh. > Enjoy the summer > Paul > > > On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:23:46 AM, Fred Schueler <bckcdb@istar.ca> > wrote: > > > on June-23-14 10:00 PM *cpepper@ymail.com wrote: > > > Sooo, how much of David Webster's bullshit do we have to put up with > > before we can remove him from the list? > > * it's hard to see this as bullshit - it's one of the fundamental > problems facing naturalists and nature in these latter days. Both kids > and society suffer from Nature Appreciation Deficit Disorder, and from > the consequences the grotesque exploitation of the Earth by those > afflicted with NADD. It's a big part of the job of naturalists to > reverse this, and temporarily holding Turtles in captivity is one of the > classic ways of communing with nature and getting started with science - > > http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/artful-amoeba/2014/06/20/the-slow-pai= nful-decline-of-natural-history-and-its-unintended-consequences/?WT.mc_id= =3DSA_sharetool_Twitter > and > > http://www.npr.org/2014/06/18/318307574/is-collecting-animals-for-science= -a-noble-mission-or-a-threat > and > > http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/christophermajka/2014/06/mary-majka-ninet= y-years-conservation-and-environmentalism > - just to cite a few links open on my browser at the moment. > > fred. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > > > *From: *David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com > > <mailto:dwebster@glinx.com>> > > > > *Sender: *naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca > > <mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> > > > > *Date: *Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:16:31 -0300 > > > > *To: *<naturens@chebucto.ns.ca <mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>> > > > > *ReplyTo: *naturens@chebucto.ns.ca <mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> > > > > *Subject: *Re: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh offleash park... > > > > Hi All, June 23, 2014 > > > > I have a problem with over zealous regulation and over zealous > > enforcement. If a park operates on a strickly 'look but don't touch > > basis' then protection may be complete but of short duration. This > > applies especially now when many kids are in love with the latest > > game/technology and bored by anything natural (unless it is packaged in > > 30 second clips to be enjoyed in the comfort of a chair at home). > > > > Or, expressed another way, Pogo and his friends will over the long > > haul be protected by the child who takes a turtle home and thereby > > learns to respect the natural world. > > > > Miner' s Marsh is subject to severe floods from time to time. And > > as more esker segments and other coarse glacial deposits upstream are > > mined for sand and gravel this flow instability is bound to increase. I > > suspect that many Miner's Marsh Painted Turtles will be swept out to se= a > > whenever we have late floods. > > > > John Muir as a boy, when grounded to home base, sometimes amused > > himself by throwing stones at cats or, in one instance, dropping one ou= t > > of a high window. Somehow this wild boy turned out ok, mainly because h= e > > was wild. > > > > They hang the man and flog the woman > > > > who steals the goose from off the common > > > > but let the greater criminal loose > > > > who steals the common from the goose. > > > > Yt, DW, Kentville > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > *From:*John and Nhung <mailto:nhungjohn@eastlink.ca> > > > > *To:*naturens@chebucto.ns.ca <mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> > > > > *Sent:*Monday, June 23, 2014 11:11 AM > > > > *Subject:*RE: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh offleash park... > > > > Regarding the kid and the turtle, part of growing up is > > internalizing the title of that Rolling Stones song: =E2=80=9CYou c= an=E2=80=99t > > always get what you want.=E2=80=9D > > > > The appropriate response for a parent to make is, =E2=80=9CNo, you c= an=E2=80=99t. > > [Insert reason.] Get over it.=E2=80=9D > > > > Looks as if a lot of public education is needed. It=E2=80=99s very > > troubling if authorities hesitate to impose penalties because of > > fear of public reaction. > > > > *From:*naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca > > <mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> > > [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] *On Behalf Of *James Churchil= l > > *Sent:* June-23-14 9:36 AM > > *To:* naturens > > *Subject:* [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh offleash park... &