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Hi Steve & All,
There is no possibility for confusion (internet sources excepted =
where species absent here may be discussed). We have only one species of =
Myrica with waxy berries, pensilvanica. M. gale fruit are small, dry, in =
a cone-like cluster and are not waxy. M. pensilvanica leaves can be =
dried for seasoning soup or just hung in a mesh bag to scent a room. M. =
gale leaves, picked half grown and dried can be used to make a tea =
substitute.
Poison Ivy (Rhus radicans and several newer names) berries are =
slightly waxy so learn to recognize the fruit while leaves are present.
Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Stephen Shaw" <srshaw@Dal.Ca>
To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Bayberry
> Me too: on-line sources quote up to 1lb of wax from only 4lb of =
berries, which is an amazingly high yield from my very limited =
experience, and sounds like others' too.
> Is part of the problem that there is more than one species of =
'bayberry'? Myrica cerifa (American bayberry, wax myrtle, more =
southern), M. pensylvanica (Northern bayberry), M. gale (sweet gale, bog =
myrtle, holarctic) all seem as if they might fit the description often =
used, "E. Atlantic coast". =20
> Perhaps one of these (cerifa?) produces lots of wax, but the others =
don't? That might explain the varied experience in collecting wax.
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> Does anyone know which species is most commonly used for candles =
(cerifa?)?
> Does anyone know which species we have locally here, or is there more =
than one species?
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> It may be essential to get these identifications straight to avoid =
further disappointment, before embarking on more candle-making.
> Steve (Hfx)
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> ________________________________________
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] on =
behalf of Margaret Fraser [m_fraser65@yahoo.ca]
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:22 PM
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry
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> I did a little online research last night and the most sensible =
suggestion I saw was to let the water cool and then pick the wax off the =
top,then remelt it and strain through a layer of cheesecloth. The wax,as =
I recall,is very strongly scented and do a little will scent a fair bit =
of beeswax (but I can't give you proportions). I don't think we strained =
the wax,but I remember the pillar candle we made was a funny colour and =
kind of gritty. And it had a layer on the bottom that was unburnable. I =
also remember my mother was very happy when we were done and stopped =
messing up her kitchen =
[http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/1.gif] . This has =
reignited my interest in candle making. Now I have to find bayberries in =
Cape Breton-should not be hard as they were everywhere when I was a =
child. Cheers,
> Margaret
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> From:"David & Alison Webster" <dwebster@glinx.com>
> Date:Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:39 am
> Subject:Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry
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> Hi Nick & All, Jan 31, 2015
> I also, about 1959, did the obvious; simered about 5L of berries in =
8L of water+berries and got a yield of nice odor and almost no wax.
> Because partitioning the agreeable odor is the objective I would =
try a different approach entirely it I were to attempt this again.
> The melting point of Bayberry wax is fairly low; 42-48oC (Place & =
Stiles, Auk paper) So a logical first step would be to feed berries =
slowly into a rotating inclined screen cylinder in an enclosure that was =
heated to about 65oC and wick wax from the zone of melting with a fixed =
wiper blade. Wax isolated in this way might be clean enough for some =
purposes. If too dirty then the isolated wax could be distilled into =
melted paraffin wax.
> Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nicholas Hill
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry
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> that's super, Margaret. We tried a few years ago, got discouraged =
because we didnt really trust the process. Will try again. Any tips?
> I have often seen bayberry in mink scats in the fall.
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> On Jan 30, 2015 7:19 PM, "Margaret Fraser" <m_fraser65@yahoo.ca> =
wrote:
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<DIV>Hi Steve & All,</DIV>
<DIV> There is no possibility for confusion (internet =
sources=20
excepted where species absent here may be discussed). We have only one =
species=20
of<EM> Myrica </EM>with waxy berries, <EM>pensilvanica.</EM> <EM>M. gale =
</EM>fruit are small, dry, in a cone-like cluster and are not waxy. =
<EM>M.</EM>=20
<EM>pensilvanica leaves </EM>can be dried for seasoning soup or just =
hung in a=20
mesh bag to scent a room. <EM>M. gale </EM>leaves, picked half grown and =
dried=20
can be used to make a tea substitute.</DIV>
<DIV> Poison Ivy (<EM>Rhus radicans </EM>and several =
newer=20
names) berries are slightly waxy so learn to recognize the fruit =
while=20
leaves are present.</DIV>
<DIV>Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV>From: "Stephen Shaw" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:srshaw@Dal.Ca">srshaw@Dal.Ca</A>></DIV>
<DIV>To: <<A=20
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<DIV>Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:53 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Bayberry</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> Me too: on-line sources quote up to 1lb of wax from =
only 4lb=20
of berries, which is an amazingly high yield from my very limited =
experience,=20
and sounds like others' too.<BR>>