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Back Again,
After sending this I checked Fernald (Grays Manual 8th ed) and =
Candleberry is one common name used for both M. pensilvanica and M. =
cerifera.=20
One additional factor, which is along the lines you were raising =
Steve, is the huge span of variation which is included within species. =
For example, M. pensilvanica is usually less than 1 M tall but it can be =
up to 4.5 M tall with trunk up to 12 cm in diameter. So our strains may =
have less wax than strains commonly encountered in New England.=20
Yt, DW=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: David & Alison Webster=20
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry
Hi Steve & All,
There is no possibility for confusion (internet sources excepted =
where species absent here may be discussed). We have only one species of =
Myrica with waxy berries, pensilvanica. M. gale fruit are small, dry, in =
a cone-like cluster and are not waxy. M. pensilvanica leaves can be =
dried for seasoning soup or just hung in a mesh bag to scent a room. M. =
gale leaves, picked half grown and dried can be used to make a tea =
substitute.
Poison Ivy (Rhus radicans and several newer names) berries are =
slightly waxy so learn to recognize the fruit while leaves are present.
Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Stephen Shaw" <srshaw@Dal.Ca>
To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Bayberry
> Me too: on-line sources quote up to 1lb of wax from only 4lb of =
berries, which is an amazingly high yield from my very limited =
experience, and sounds like others' too.
> Is part of the problem that there is more than one species of =
'bayberry'? Myrica cerifa (American bayberry, wax myrtle, more =
southern), M. pensylvanica (Northern bayberry), M. gale (sweet gale, bog =
myrtle, holarctic) all seem as if they might fit the description often =
used, "E. Atlantic coast". =20
> Perhaps one of these (cerifa?) produces lots of wax, but the others =
don't? That might explain the varied experience in collecting wax.
>=20
> Does anyone know which species is most commonly used for candles =
(cerifa?)?
> Does anyone know which species we have locally here, or is there more =
than one species?
>=20
> It may be essential to get these identifications straight to avoid =
further disappointment, before embarking on more candle-making.
> Steve (Hfx)
>=20
> ________________________________________
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] on =
behalf of Margaret Fraser [m_fraser65@yahoo.ca]
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:22 PM
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry
>=20
> I did a little online research last night and the most sensible =
suggestion I saw was to let the water cool and then pick the wax off the =
top,then remelt it and strain through a layer of cheesecloth. The wax,as =
I recall,is very strongly scented and do a little will scent a fair bit =
of beeswax (but I can't give you proportions). I don't think we strained =
the wax,but I remember the pillar candle we made was a funny colour and =
kind of gritty. And it had a layer on the bottom that was unburnable. I =
also remember my mother was very happy when we were done and stopped =
messing up her kitchen =
[http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/1.gif] . This has =
reignited my interest in candle making. Now I have to find bayberries in =
Cape Breton-should not be hard as they were everywhere when I was a =
child. Cheers,
> Margaret
>=20
> From:"David & Alison Webster" <dwebster@glinx.com>
> Date:Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:39 am
> Subject:Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry
>=20
> Hi Nick & All, Jan 31, 2015
> I also, about 1959, did the obvious; simered about 5L of berries in =
8L of water+berries and got a yield of nice odor and almost no wax.
> Because partitioning the agreeable odor is the objective I would =
try a different approach entirely it I were to attempt this again.
> The melting point of Bayberry wax is fairly low; 42-48oC (Place & =
Stiles, Auk paper) So a logical first step would be to feed berries =
slowly into a rotating inclined screen cylinder in an enclosure that was =
heated to about 65oC and wick wax from the zone of melting with a fixed =
wiper blade. Wax isolated in this way might be clean enough for some =
purposes. If too dirty then the isolated wax could be distilled into =
melted paraffin wax.
> Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nicholas Hill
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry
>=20
>=20
> that's super, Margaret. We tried a few years ago, got discouraged =
because we didnt really trust the process. Will try again. Any tips?
> I have often seen bayberry in mink scats in the fall.
>=20
> On Jan 30, 2015 7:19 PM, "Margaret Fraser" <m_fraser65@yahoo.ca> =
wrote:
>=20
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com>
> Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/9027 - Release Date: =
01/30/15
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/9031 - Release Date: =
01/31/15
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<DIV>Back Again,</DIV>
<DIV> After sending this I checked Fernald (Grays =
Manual 8th=20
ed) and Candleberry is one common name used for both <EM>M. =
pensilvanica</EM>=20
and <EM>M. cerifera</EM>. </DIV>
<DIV> One additional factor, which is along the lines =
you were=20
raising Steve, is the huge span of variation which is included within =
species.=20
For example, <EM>M. pensilvanica</EM> is usually less than 1 M tall =
but it=20
can be up to 4.5 M tall with trunk up to 12 cm in diameter. So our =
strains=20
may have less wax than strains commonly encountered in New =
England.=20
</DIV>
<DIV>Yt, DW </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Ddwebster@glinx.com href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">David =
& Alison=20
Webster</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2015 2:14 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hi Steve & All,</DIV>
<DIV> There is no possibility for confusion (internet =
sources=20
excepted where species absent here may be discussed). We have only one =
species=20
of<EM> Myrica </EM>with waxy berries, <EM>pensilvanica.</EM> <EM>M. gale =
</EM>fruit are small, dry, in a cone-like cluster and are not waxy. =
<EM>M.</EM>=20
<EM>pensilvanica leaves </EM>can be dried for seasoning soup or just =
hung in a=20
mesh bag to scent a room. <EM>M. gale </EM>leaves, picked half grown and =
dried=20
can be used to make a tea substitute.</DIV>
<DIV> Poison Ivy (<EM>Rhus radicans </EM>and several =
newer=20
names) berries are slightly waxy so learn to recognize the fruit =
while=20
leaves are present.</DIV>
<DIV>Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV>From: "Stephen Shaw" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:srshaw@Dal.Ca">srshaw@Dal.Ca</A>></DIV>
<DIV>To: <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A>></=
DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:53 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Bayberry</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> Me too: on-line sources quote up to 1lb of wax from =
only 4lb=20
of berries, which is an amazingly high yield from my very limited =
experience,=20
and sounds like others' too.<BR>> Is part of the problem that there =
is more=20
than one species of 'bayberry'? Myrica cerifa (American bayberry, =
wax=20
myrtle, more southern), M. pensylvanica (Northern bayberry), M. gale =
(sweet=20
gale, bog myrtle, holarctic) all seem as if they might fit the =
description often=20
used, "E. Atlantic coast". <BR>> Perhaps one of these (cerifa?) =
produces lots of wax, but the others don't? That might explain the =
varied=20
experience in collecting wax.<BR>> <BR>> Does anyone know which =
species is=20
most commonly used for candles (cerifa?)?<BR>> Does anyone know which =
species=20
we have locally here, or is there more than one species?<BR>> =
<BR>> It may=20
be essential to get these identifications straight to avoid further=20
disappointment, before embarking on more candle-making.<BR>> Steve=20
(Hfx)<BR>> <BR>> ________________________________________<BR>> =
From: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.=
ca</A>=20
[naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] on behalf of Margaret Fraser=20
[m_fraser65@yahoo.ca]<BR>> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:22 =
PM<BR>>=20
To: <A =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A><BR>&g=
t;=20
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Bayberry<BR>> <BR>> I did a little online =
research=20
last night and the most sensible suggestion I saw was to let the water =
cool and=20
then pick the wax off the top,then remelt it and strain through a layer =
of=20
cheesecloth. The wax,as I recall,is very strongly scented and do a =
little will=20
scent a fair bit of beeswax (but I can't give you proportions). I don't =
think we=20
strained the wax,but I remember the pillar candle we made was a funny =
colour and=20
kind of gritty. And it had a layer on the bottom that was unburnable. I =
also=20
remember my mother was very happy when we were done and stopped messing =
up her=20
kitchen [http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/1.gif] . This =
has=20
reignited my interest in candle making. Now I have to find bayberries in =
Cape=20
Breton-should not be hard as they were everywhere when I was a child.=20
Cheers,<BR>> Margaret<BR>> <BR>> From:"David & Alison =
Webster"=20
<<A =
href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">dwebster@glinx.com</A>><BR>>=20
Date:Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:39 am<BR>> Subject:Re: [NatureNS]=20
Bayberry<BR>> <BR>> Hi Nick &=20
All, &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p; =20
Jan 31, 2015<BR>> I also, about 1959, did the =
obvious;=20
simered about 5L of berries in 8L of water+berries and got a yield of =
nice odor=20
and almost no wax.<BR>> Because partitioning the =
agreeable=20
odor is the objective I would try a different approach entirely it I =
were to=20
attempt this again.<BR>> The melting point of =
Bayberry wax=20
is fairly low; 42-48oC (Place & Stiles, Auk paper) So a logical =
first step=20
would be to feed berries slowly into a rotating inclined screen cylinder =
in an=20
enclosure that was heated to about 65oC and wick wax from the zone of =
melting=20
with a fixed wiper blade. Wax isolated in this way might be clean enough =
for=20
some purposes. If too dirty then the isolated wax could be distilled =
into melted=20
paraffin wax.<BR>> Yt, Dave Webster, =
Kentville<BR>>=20
----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: Nicholas Hill<BR>> To: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A><BR>&g=
t; Sent:=20
Friday, January 30, 2015 7:55 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NatureNS]=20
Bayberry<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> that's super, Margaret. We tried a =
few years=20
ago, got discouraged because we didnt really trust the process. Will try =
again.=20
Any tips?<BR>> I have often seen bayberry in mink scats in the =
fall.<BR>>=20
<BR>> On Jan 30, 2015 7:19 PM, "Margaret Fraser" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:m_fraser65@yahoo.ca">m_fraser65@yahoo.ca</A>> =
wrote:<BR>>=20
<BR>> No virus found in this message.<BR>> Checked by AVG - <A=20
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