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=EF=BB=BFYour post reminds me of the old saying Dave
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"Truth is a lonely warrior"
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As far as positions aka thought control the Russians tried that for
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a lot of years to find it wasn't helpful and even they give up on it
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and you want to try it??=20
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Enjoy the winter
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Paul
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On January 8, 2016 at 10:20 PM David & Alison Webster <dwebster@=
glinx.com> wrote:
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    I am partial to evidence based conclusions. I have y=
et to see any experimental results based on NS material. All I have receive=
d are fragments of the Gospel according to Nick & David P. If the =
evidence is so great and obvious why is it being kept a secret ?
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    The example which I quoted recently, and not explain=
ed, still has me wondering if the fuss about drastic Ca depletion is m=
ore than a fad in some cases and perhaps all cases. This was from Tabl=
e 2 in Lawerence and Huntington; given without background information.
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<span style=3D"color: #ff0000;">highly sensitive to calcium depletion <=
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<span style=3D"color: #000000;">(Coweeta) has 1370 kg/ha exchangeable C=
a, total Ca of 11500 kg/ha total Ca and Net Calcium depletion of 6.6 kg/ha/=
year. So exchangeable Ca, assuming no recycling from <span style=3D"color: =
#ff0000;">Mixed Hardwood</span> litter and foliage leaching which is o=
f course false [Most Ca in such litter would be released within a year], wo=
uld be sufficient for only 207 years. <span style=3D"color: #ff0000;">Note =
to self: urgent; order a truckload of lime to be delivered in 100 year=
s</span>. </span>
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<span style=3D"color: #000000;">    And Total Ca, in som=
e undisclosed fraction of the rooting zone, of which the major portion woul=
d be bound in minerals [and such weathering would be speeded  by the a=
cidity of acid ppt.] would be sufficient once released to last only 17=
00 years. </span>
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    I am partial to free and open evidence-based discuss=
ion. This latest move; an official Nature NS policy sounds like a move to m=
uzzle discussion and replace it by worship of some ad-hoc form of Reli=
gion.  If that in fact proves to be the case then Naturens will wither=
to a bird watch forum or some dust on a cobweb.
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    In one of my recent e-mails I indicated the merits o=
f research into this and many other related questions. That bounced so=
mewhat less than a dead cat.
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    The will be many Science Graduates in the near futur=
e with no prospect of a job. And in my view there are a multitude of questi=
ons to be investigated. Why are the self-appointed High Priests of Nature N=
S so fearful of truth being laid bare ?
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<span style=3D"color: #ff0000;">Nick</span>, as came to light recently,=
I knew more about the history of charcoal forests in your UK area than you=
did. Is it perhaps possible that I know almost as much as you do about bar=
rens in my backyard ? You speak of=20
<span style=3D"color: #ff0000;">"overharvest transforming landscape=
into lower equilibrium states (e.g. shrub barrens here and in NL)",</s=
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    Do you have documentary evidence of when these barre=
ns carried a crop of trees and when they were cut ? Where exactly are =
these barrens ? Have you examined for traces of charcoal well=
0;below the litter layer by flotation ? What textures and soil depths =
are represented ? Good soil or good highway fill too shallow to bother mini=
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    For example, the large barren west of the Costley ho=
mestead on Route 12 (just this side of the Salmontail River) was referred t=
o by one of the Costleys (Milton or Truman) as "the fire barr=
ens". It goes back to the mid-1800s if not earlier. And it seems likely=
that these barrens had help getting and remaining in that state.