[NatureNS] managing invasives and naturalised species-why do we do it?

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I always find it interesting that the chain pickerel comes up often as an=
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invasive species but I have yet to see any complaints or comments on brown=
 =20
trout.
Peter Stow
Hubbards
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In a message dated 2017-04-21 5:40:00 A.M. Atlantic Daylight Time, =20
dcrossland@eastlink.ca writes:

I have  to give you credit in your strategic thinking and knowledgeable=20
depth
of  retrospective!  If only certain departments would manage these =20
fisheries,
they might soon be over-fished and the ecological nightmare  created by=20
naive
or selfish sports fisheries could be mitigated  somewhat.  Why IS there a=
=20
bag
limit on any invasive fish??  =20

Then again, I suppose we could extend this argument to the bag limits  for
ring-necked pheasant (noisy squawking birds, though tasty... but not  bett=
er
than our woodcock and grouse) and the naturalized deer (deer that  incur
great damage to our hardwood stands, Canada Yew (with  Cancer-fighting
agents), etc, impacting the successional trajectory of our  natural forest=
s,
yet we spend a lot of tax dollars managing the herd and  bag limits geared=
=20
to
keep them around).  I'll take a moose steak any  day over venison. =20

Maybe we can add it to the election platform  soon to unfold.  I think we
need an entire ecologically-based  political platform in the next round.=
 =20
Our
natural resources and  native biodiversity are in trouble, both on the lan=
d
and in the  water.  Then there's climate change added to the mix... ecolog=
y
is  "messy" and growing more complicated.

Donna

-----Original  Message-----
From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca  [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca=
]
On Behalf Of John and Nhung
Sent:  April-19-17 7:52 AM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: [NatureNS]  widowed goose and tasty tidbits

My point was that if more people  recognize pickerel as tasty, more people
will eat them (rather than  throwing them back, for instance!). =20

I wish NS Fisheries would  lift the "bag" limit on smallmouth bass, as wel=
l.
They are another disaster  that doesn=E2=80=99t belong here.  But here the=
y  are.

Enthusiastically-pursued fisheries have a long history of reducing  target
populations ...=20

-----Original Message-----
From:  naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca=
]
On  Behalf Of Donna Crossland
Sent: April 19, 2017 7:29 AM
To:  naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty  tidbits

Oh goodness!  I meant the GEESE are tasty, not than the  chain pickerel!=
 No,
no, no! Perhaps the pickerel are tasty, too, but you'll  not likely ever=
=20
hear
me say anything positive with regards to that  species.  I am dismayed by=
=20
the
introduction of chain pickerel to our  lakes.  The small mouthed bass and
chain pickerel are altering our  fresh water ecosystems in profound ways.=
  I
am told we can expect  nearly "silent springs" as they voraciously consume
our frogs and toads on  the lake edges.  They are about to spread to the=
=20
last
wild places  remaining.  It's sad, very sad.  We shall mourn the trout  an=
d
remnant salmon populations.

Donna  Crossland


-----Original Message-----
From:  naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca=
]
On  Behalf Of Hebda, Andrew J
Sent: April-18-17 10:15 PM
To:  naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty  tidbits


The taste and angling value of the pickerel is high...  However its
introduction into watershed has been disasterous.

Back  in 1949 Dan Livingstone sampled lakes and rivers in Nova Scotia,=20
coming
up  with the first comprehensive list of freshwater fish for the province.
John  Gilhen and I were joined by him 50 years later and we re-sampled man=
y
of  the same bodies of water.  Where the chain pickerel had been =20
introduced,
or spread to, the diversity of fish went from 7-11 species to  2-3..
independent of water chemistry, geology or any other measurable  factor =
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A Hebda




From:  naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] on
behalf of  John and Nhung [nhungjohn@eastlink.ca]
Sent: April-18-17 9:58 PM
To:  naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty  tidbits

I wish more Nova Scotians appreciated pickerel.  The  Vietnamese gang down
Yarmouth way turns this ugly-looking critter into  various dishes, all
infinitely more interesting than  haddock!

-----Original Message-----
From:  naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca=
]
On  Behalf Of Donna Crossland
Sent: April 18, 2017 8:50 PM
To:  naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty  tidbits

That's a hilarious (well sort of) tale of the widowed urban  goose. She
likely few back to Toronto?

I'm with Lance and the Cape  Bretoners. This expanding species is quite
delicious baked in orange juice,  wild rice and cranberries, etc.  Now if
only I could acquire a taste  for glossy buckthorn salad.

Donna


-----Original  Message-----
From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca  [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca=
]
On Behalf Of Fred Schueler
Sent:  April-18-17 12:43 PM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: [NatureNS]  Miner's Marsh KIngfisher

On 4/18/2017 11:11 AM, Laviolette, Lance  wrote:
> =E2=80=9CTruck loads from TO=E2=80=9D reminds me of a story...

* ...on  our 2002 James Bay Expedition - http://pinicola.ca/g2003b.htm -=
 we
found a  very tame single Canada Goose at a boatlunch ramp way north in
Quebec - and  the sad story we told was that she'd mated with a northern
Quebec male  during the winter, had followed him north, and he'd been take=
n
out by the  spring Goose hunt, leaving her an urban widow in the =20
wilderness.

fred.
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>  ...Paul. About 40 years ago
> there was an effort made to =E2=80=98reintroduce=E2=80=99  Canada Geese=
 in Cape Breton=20
> near CBHNP. They trucked in a bunch of TO  geese and let them loose on=
=20
> a lake. Now these geese were quite use to  humans having been rounded=20
> up in the friendly confines of the TO  shoreline. It wasn=E2=80=99t long=
 before=20
> the local residents of that area of  CB realized that. There was good=20
> eating in those parts while the  geese lasted=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
>  Cheers,
>
>
>
> Lance
>
>
>
>  *Lance Laviolette*
>
> Glen Robertson,  Ontario
>
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>
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>
>  *From:*naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>  [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] *On Behalf Of=20
>  *rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca
> *Sent:* Monday, April 17, 2017 8:26  AM
> *To:* naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re:  [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh KIngfisher
>
>
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> Isn't it  fun about the Canada Geese Doug?
>
> One group wanted to introduce  Wild Turkeys