[NatureNS] managing invasives and naturalised species-why do we

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found a very tame single Canada Goose at a boatlunch ram
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Or Rainbows.

On Apr 21, 2017 8:07 AM, <Hubcove@aol.com> wrote:

> I always find it interesting that the chain pickerel comes up often as an
> invasive species but I have yet to see any complaints or comments on brow=
n
> trout.
> Peter Stow
> Hubbards
>
> In a message dated 2017-04-21 5:40:00 A.M. Atlantic Daylight Time,
> dcrossland@eastlink.ca writes:
>
> I have to give you credit in your strategic thinking and knowledgeable
> depth
> of retrospective!  If only certain departments would manage these
> fisheries,
> they might soon be over-fished and the ecological nightmare created by
> naive
> or selfish sports fisheries could be mitigated somewhat.  Why IS there a
> bag
> limit on any invasive fish??
>
> Then again, I suppose we could extend this argument to the bag limits for
> ring-necked pheasant (noisy squawking birds, though tasty... but not bett=
er
> than our woodcock and grouse) and the naturalized deer (deer that incur
> great damage to our hardwood stands, Canada Yew (with Cancer-fighting
> agents), etc, impacting the successional trajectory of our natural forest=
s,
> yet we spend a lot of tax dollars managing the herd and bag limits geared
> to
> keep them around).  I'll take a moose steak any day over venison.
>
> Maybe we can add it to the election platform soon to unfold.  I think we
> need an entire ecologically-based political platform in the next round.
> Our
> natural resources and native biodiversity are in trouble, both on the lan=
d
> and in the water.  Then there's climate change added to the mix... ecolog=
y
> is "messy" and growing more complicated.
>
> Donna
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca=
]
> On Behalf Of John and Nhung
> Sent: April-19-17 7:52 AM
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits
>
> My point was that if more people recognize pickerel as tasty, more people
> will eat them (rather than throwing them back, for instance!).
>
> I wish NS Fisheries would lift the "bag" limit on smallmouth bass, as wel=
l.
> They are another disaster that doesn=E2=80=99t belong here.  But here the=
y are.
>
> Enthusiastically-pursued fisheries have a long history of reducing target
> populations ...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca=
]
> On Behalf Of Donna Crossland
> Sent: April 19, 2017 7:29 AM
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits
>
> Oh goodness!  I meant the GEESE are tasty, not than the chain pickerel! N=
o,
> no, no! Perhaps the pickerel are tasty, too, but you'll not likely ever
> hear
> me say anything positive with regards to that species.  I am dismayed by
> the
> introduction of chain pickerel to our lakes.  The small mouthed bass and
> chain pickerel are altering our fresh water ecosystems in profound ways. =
 I
> am told we can expect nearly "silent springs" as they voraciously consume
> our frogs and toads on the lake edges.  They are about to spread to the
> last
> wild places remaining.  It's sad, very sad.  We shall mourn the trout and
> remnant salmon populations.
>
> Donna Crossland
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca=
]
> On Behalf Of Hebda, Andrew J
> Sent: April-18-17 10:15 PM
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits
>
>
> The taste and angling value of the pickerel is high... However its
> introduction into watershed has been disasterous.
>
> Back in 1949 Dan Livingstone sampled lakes and rivers in Nova Scotia,
> coming
> up with the first comprehensive list of freshwater fish for the province.
> John Gilhen and I were joined by him 50 years later and we re-sampled man=
y
> of the same bodies of water.  Where the chain pickerel had been introduce=
d,
> or spread to, the diversity of fish went from 7-11 species to 2-3..
> independent of water chemistry, geology or any other measurable factor
>
>
> A Hebda
>
>
>
>
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] on
> behalf of John and Nhung [nhungjohn@eastlink.ca]
> Sent: April-18-17 9:58 PM
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits
>
> I wish more Nova Scotians appreciated pickerel.  The Vietnamese gang down
> Yarmouth way turns this ugly-looking critter into various dishes, all
> infinitely more interesting than haddock!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca=
]
> On Behalf Of Donna Crossland
> Sent: April 18, 2017 8:50 PM
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: [NatureNS] widowed goose and tasty tidbits
>
> That's a hilarious (well sort of) tale of the widowed urban goose. She
> likely few back to Toronto?
>
> I'm with Lance and the Cape Bretoners. This expanding species is quite
> delicious baked in orange juice, wild rice and cranberries, etc.  Now if
> only I could acquire a taste for glossy buckthorn salad.
>
> Donna
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca=
]
> On Behalf Of Fred Schueler
> Sent: April-18-17 12:43 PM
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh KIngfisher
>
> On 4/18/2017 11:11 AM, Laviolette, Lance wrote:
> > =E2=80=9CTruck loads from TO=E2=80=9D reminds me of a story...
>
> * ...on our 2002 James Bay Expedition - http://pinicola.ca/g2003b.htm - w=
e
> found a very tame single Canada Goose at a boatlunch ramp way north in
> Quebec - and the sad story we told was that she'd mated with a northern
> Quebec male during the winter, had followed him north, and he'd been take=
n
> out by the spring Goose hunt, leaving her an urban widow in the wildernes=
s.
>
> fred.
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>
> > ...Paul. About 40 years ago
> > there was an effort made to =E2=80=98reintroduce=E2=80=99 Canada Geese =
in Cape Breton
> > near CBHNP. They trucked in a bunch of TO geese and let them loose on
> > a lake. Now these geese were quite use to humans having been rounded
> > up in the friendly confines of the TO shoreline. It wasn=E2=80=