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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">I agree Dave - Rural residents are not =
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Their woodlot is important.<br/></span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Today I walked to Stoddarts Meadow - no=
t a long walk about 1.2k<br/></span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">along an old trail which wasn't too=
hard to follow. Except at one point the beavers<br/></span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">had built a dam so I got a little wadin=
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">The area had no doubt been logged at on=
e time but has a good<br/></span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">mixed growth at present. The interestin=
g point was an area of large pines<br/></span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">both white and red. There were tall and=
heavy logs but the distance between<br/></span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">the trees was amazing. The tops meet bu=
t how many of the original trees<br/></span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">remain I couldn't tell but 1% would=
be a good guess. probably high.<br/></span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Forests require thinning - no question.=
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Enjoy the fall<br/></span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Paul<br/></span>
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On October 15, 2017 at 7:43 PM David <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:
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Hi Nick & All,
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    A closed mind and hysteria are not favorable conditions f=
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    I have two woodlots and have clearcut only when=
it was the only practical choice; e.g. once only when all Spruce in some 5=
-10 acres that was predominantly Spruce suddenly shed needles early in the =
summer of 2000; felled by chainsaw and extracted by porter. I requested tha=
t hardwood be spared whenever possible (it all was) and that the porter be =
used only when the soil was dry (there was zero soil disturbance). 
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    That turned out well. There was some annual cov=
er that same year (drawing on memory) but starting early in the following y=
ear there was a vigorous cover of  insect friendly annual and perennia=
l plants except where prevented by hardwood trees (e.g. shoulder high Solid=
ago sp by late summer). One White Birch grew so rapidly that the bark split=
at the base. To judge from subsequent growth of spared hardwood and seeded=
trees there was zero leaching loss.  
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    But I know that clearcutting happens a great deal. O=
ne of the reasons is economic. I suspect that depopulation of rural areas i=
s another because if you have to migrate to find work then selling the fami=
ly woodlot for a song may be your only option. Spruce trees near Kentville =
are unthrifty to put it mildly and this may be true elsewhere. Is the rush =
to cut perhaps driven by the emergence or fear of tree decline ? 
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    I don't advocate clearcutting as the way to go but if=
you wish to change industry practices then it is desirable to find out why=
it has become so widespread. Selective cutting is practical for the hobby =
firewood cutter, e.g. DW, and just possible commercially given UNUSUALLY fa=
vorable circumstances. Otherwise it is a great way to make a large loss, as=
I learned in 2002 when we horse logged selectively. 
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    I had an opportunity to try selective cutting about 2003 =
using a tree harvester with (as I recall) an 18' reach. The approach wa=
s to cut 9' travel ways (in about 20 acres of overstocked woods) every =
36', protect soil of the travel ways with trash wood and selectively cu=
t the remainder using the tree harvester, I agreed, had a sleepless night a=
nd to my everlasting regret backed out. My harvester friend said "Dave,=
if you don't thin these trees they will all die" As it turned out =
he was entirely correct and I missed an opportunity to test a possible cost=
effective way to thin overstocked woodland.
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Yt, DW, Kentville
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From: "Nick Hill" <
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naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
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Sent: 10/15/2017 5:31:39 PM
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: [NatureNS] The Forest Funeral
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The argument that clearcut is good for wildlife is able to be made i=
n a mosaic of mature and disturbed habitat. Where we have clearcut and reco=
very from clearcut being the principal land class, one cannot argue for the=
value of clearcut.
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Where clearcut is used in rapid succession every 60 years or less, t=
he soil nutrient base becomes depleted. Where that occurs there are ecosyst=
em impacts as well as trophic level implications as browse for herbivores w=
ill become less nutritious in terms of mineral nutrients.
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Nova Scotia still has forest. PEI does not. New Brunswick is being i=
ntensively managed. Nova Scotia could choose to get out of the forest as a =
short-term source of funds and could become a green Vermont of the Maritime=
s. We have the tradition of the guides of the north woods and lovely rivers=
. No one comes for clearcuts. Clearcut forestry cannot survive without addi=
tion of human sewage compost. Why not develop a forestry based on longer ro=
tations that uses true selection cutting and results in working landscapes =
whose productivity and thought make people's minds register beauty rath=
er than out for a quick buck sadness?
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On Oct 15, 2017 4:45 PM, "
<a href=3D"mailto:rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca">rita.paul@ns.sympatico.=
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Good point Dave! Folks travelling on the 103 should
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remember that paving is in progress about exit 5a. Delays can be =
length!
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Take my word from experience!
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An old saying in BC Dave "The Axe comes before the Moose"
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summarizes it nicely.
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Enjoy the Autumn
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Paul
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    It is interesting that this mock funeral will incr=
ease highway traffic (briefly) because the expansion of highways, especiall=
y of the 101 series, has destroyed a huge chunk of potential forest land an=
d taken a much larger bite out of small animal habitat/population. Even a 1=
0" high gravel ridge is a barrier to snake travel and the huge cuts and=
fills associated with the 101 series has fragmented Reptile and Amphibian =
habitat much as a sledge hammer can fragment a fragile glass container.=
0;
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   The idea that Moose need mature forest is not sound=
. I have never hunted Moose but have several times hunted Deer in upland co=
untry where Moose were also present. Moose sign were consistently very spar=
se in mature woodland (as in got to get through this wasteland) and abundan=
t in nearby clearcut regrowth. In recent times Moose reached the coast in B=
C. Mature forest had acted as a barrier to travel and logging generated the=
food friendly means to travel from inland areas to the coast.
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    It has been my experience that woodland, flattened=
by clearcut or Spruce Budworm, becomes very good wildlife habitat within 1=
0 years and sometimes 1-2 if hardwoods are involved.  Has this changed=
? Are recent clearcuts not growing back ?
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YT, DW Kentville
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<a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.=
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Sent: 10/15/2017 12:25:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [NatureNS] The Forest Funeral
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<p>Thanks, Paul for reminding everyone-</p>=20
<p>The Forest Funeral is a ceremony to both celebrate the life =
of the Acadian Forest, and also to mourn its great losses in Nova Scotia, p=
articularly in recent years.</p>=20
<p><strong>Old Man Luedecke </strong>is going to sing <strong>&=
#34;Sad as a Forest</strong>", a marvelous song.  Lee Keating, an =
early logger, woodsman, and guide is driving all the way from Clyde River t=
o sing his song about forest progress (pointing to the great progress to th=
e feller buncher over the axe...).  We have an array of amazing people=
who will say a few words in ode to our great Acadian forest.  Soren B=
ondrup-Nielsen will offer a lament to forest wildlife; those species that s=
uffer when forests are clearcut, removing critical food sources and shelter=
along with the wood (which is mostly going for chips from 40-50 year old s=
tands).  Bob Bancroft is going to deliver a gripping Eulogy.  I h=
ear there will be moose, fisher, marten, and forest birds in attendance.=
60; Where have you ever attended a funeral with those present?   It on=
ly makes sense to pay respects to these species, since the critical loss of=
mature forests have caused the demise of these and other wildlife species.=
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<p>It's quite  legacy we are leaving to our children.&=
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<p>People drive for hours to attend funerals of loved ones.=
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<p>Donna Crossland (Funeral to take place at ~ 1 PM at Province=
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Hi All
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Thursday the 19th is the day for the Funeral of Nova Scotia F=
orests.
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Some fellows had booked me for the day to view some NS rivers=
so
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as I can't 2 places at once I need send my regrets. Diffi=
cult enough
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doing something useful in one place!
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The Global warming, CO2 thing has far reaching effects. Some =
folks are even
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making plans to move to Mars if we don't stop using fossi=
l fuels. But Biomass, wood
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and so on are not counted against the CO2 immersions - count =
as renewables. which
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they are but they may take a while to renew. In the meantime =
our woods get chopped
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to the ground. Even the Lord Mayor of London England is takin=
g action. He doesn't
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like the smoke but he has a more scientific term for it. Stra=
nge bedfellows - the protestors
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in Halifax and the Lord Mayor!
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Anyway I hope those of you who are so inclined will take the =
opportunity
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to express your feelings.
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Have a nice fall
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Paul
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