[NatureNS] Finding Starlink Satellites

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Heres a site that implements OpenStreetMaps giving you a street level sky
view from your current location.

https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/



On Sun., Jun. 7, 2020, 18:36 Patrick Kelly, <Patrick.Kelly@dal.ca> wrote:

> I think the Sky Train is what they call the string of Starlink satellites
> until they are all spaced out into their much higher orbits.
>
> The best site is
>
> https://www.heavens-above.com/
>
> You can either get a free account (so it remembers where you are) or you
> can pick your location from the map at the upper-right part of the home
> page.
>
> In the Satellites section you will see a subsection for 10-day prediction=
s
> for things like the International Space Station (ISS), Starlink satellite=
s.
> etc.
>
> Keep in mind that the predicted brightness uses the magnitude system used
> in astronomy..... 0 is the brightest stars, 2 is the stars in the Big
> Dipper, 6 is barely visible with perfect skies and no light pollution.
>
> On the pass that was due to happen on the evening of June 4, I was totall=
y
> underwhelmed....I saw one bright satellite, and that was it. So much for
> heavens-above predicting that the entire string of them would all be
> magnitude 1.2. The first one was mag. 1.2 (but I suspect it was the farin=
g
> from which all the Starlinks had been released. With the full moon, I saw
> nothing else. I know some other people saw them but they used
> binoculars.... and the brightness for the next two passes later that nigh=
t
> were magnitudes 6.4 and then 6.9!
>
> The easiest one to see is the ISS (although it will not be putting in any
> appearances again until the every end of June.... but it often gets up to
> mag. =E2=80=934 which puts it on a par with Venus!
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Judy Tufts wrote:
>
> CAUTION: The Sender of this email is not from within Dalhousie.
>
> Hello Pat,
>
>
>
> Seeing your e-mail about looking for the Starlink satellites passing
> overhead is there  some site where one can find out when these will be
> passing overhead in our area.  Sherman Williams used to generally give us
> an idea when to watch but his health is frail now I understand.
>
>
>
> The one I am really interested in following is the satellites 'Sky Train'
> - is this the same as the Starlink satellites you referred to?   One of o=
ur
> Care Givers mentioned seeing them over Canning several weeks ago and what
> an unexpected thrill it was, and I can well believe it.
>
>
>
> Interesting about fireflies being seen already.  Something to look forwar=
d
> to.
>
> Hope all well with you these days.  It certainly is a strange world these
> days isn't it.
>
>
>
> So stay safe, stay well.
>
>
>
> Judy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
>   Judy Tufts
>
>    Wolfville
>
> <<<<<<<<
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:
> naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Kelly
> *Sent:* Friday, June 05, 2020 10:28 PM
> *To:* NatureNS
> *Subject:* [NatureNS] Fireflies in June?
>
>
>
> I was out around 10:30 PM last night... as I was looking for the Starlink
> satellites to pass overhead.... On my way down to the nearby cemetery, I
> saw two flashes from a firefly.... and now there are a few flashing in my
> backyard..... I have seen fireflies here in the past, and where I grew up
> in Spryfield, but only in August and and even then, only on really warm
> still nights.....
>
>
>
> Is it normal for them to be active at this time of the year?
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
> Patrick Kelly
> 159 Town Road
> Falmouth NS  B0P 1L0
> Canada
>
> (902) 472-2322
>
>
>
>
>
> Patrick Kelly
>
> 159 Town Road
>
> Falmouth NS  B0P 1L0
>
> Canada
>
>
> (902) 472-2322
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Heres a sit=
e that implements OpenStreetMaps giving you a street level sky view from yo=
ur current location.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><a href=3D"https://james.darpinia=
n.com/satellites/">https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/</a></span></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Sun., Jun. 7, 2020, 18:36 Patrick Kelly, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Patri=
ck.Kelly@dal.ca" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Patrick.Kelly@dal.ca<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
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<div>I think the Sky Train is what they call the string of Starlink satelli=
tes until they are all spaced out into their much higher orbits.=C2=A0</div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
The best site is=C2=A0
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D"https://www.heavens-above.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">https://www.heavens-above.com/</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You can either get a free account (so it remembers where you are) or y=
ou can pick your location from the map at the upper-right part of the home =
page.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In the Satellites section you will see a subsection for 10-day predict=
ions for things like the International Space Station (ISS), Starlink satell=
ites. etc.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Keep in mind that the predicted brightness uses the magnitude system u=
sed in astronomy..... 0 is the brightest stars, 2 is the stars in the Big D=
ipper, 6 is barely visible with perfect skies and no light pollution.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On the pass that was due to happen on the evening of June 4,=C2=A0I wa=
s totally underwhelmed....I saw one bright satellite, and that was it. So m=
uch for heavens-above predicting that the entire string of them would all b=
e magnitude 1.2. The first one was mag.
 1.2 (but I suspect it was the faring from which all the Starlinks had been=
 released. With the full moon, I saw nothing else. I know some other people=
 saw them but they used binoculars.... and the brightness for the next two =
passes later that night were magnitudes
 6.4 and then 6.9!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The easiest one to see is the ISS (although it will not be putting in =
any appearances again until the every end of June.... but it often gets up =
to mag. =E2=80=934 which puts it on a par with Venus!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Pat</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Jun 6, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Judy Tufts wrote:</div>
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pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">Hello Pat,<u=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"black" face=3D"Verdana"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"><u></u>=C2=
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pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">Seeing your =
e-mail about looking for the Starlink satellites passing overhead is there=
=C2=A0 some site where one can find out when these
 will be passing overhead in our area.=C2=A0 <u></u>Sherman Williams<u></u>=
 used to generally give us an idea when to watch but his health is frail no=
w I understand. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"black" face=3D"Verdana"><s=
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=A0<u></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"black" face=3D"Verdana"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">The one I am=
 really interested in following is the satellites &#39;Sky Train&#39;=C2=A0=
 - is this the same as the Starlink satellites you referred
 to?=C2=A0=C2=A0 One of our Care Givers mentioned seeing them over Canning =
several weeks ago and what an unexpected thrill it was, and I can well beli=
eve it.
<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"><u></u>=C2=
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pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">Interesting =
about fireflies being seen already.=C2=A0 Something to look forward to.<u><=
/u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"black" face=3D"Verdana"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">Hope all wel=
l with you these days.=C2=A0 It certainly is a strange world these days isn=
&#39;t it.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"black" face=3D"Verdana"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"><u></u>=C2=
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pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black">So stay safe=
, stay well.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black"><u></u>=C2=
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ly:Tahoma">
<a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferr=
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<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b><u></u>Patrick =
Kelly<u></u><br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 05, 2020 =
10:28 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <u></u>NatureNS<u></u><b=
r>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [<u></u>NatureNS<u>=
</u>] Fireflies in June?</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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e=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">I was out around 10:30 PM last night... as I was loo=
king for the Starlink satellites to pass overhead.... On my way down to the=
 nearby cemetery, I saw two flashes from
 a firefly.... and now there are a few flashing in my backyard..... I have =
seen fireflies here in the past, and where I grew up in Spryfield, but only=
 in August and and even then, only on really warm still nights.....
<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Is it normal for them to be active at this time of t=
he year?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Pat<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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