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Hi Randy & All, Aug 27, 2010
To adapt a now famous comment; "It depends upon what you mean by =
woods."
I am most familiar with Rhus radicans var. rydbergii (AKA =
Toxicodendron rydbergii; the widespread PI here) and, while it does best =
where some condition (shallow soil over bedrock, poor drainage, rock =
outcrops, recurrent floods---) leads to at most relatively open forest =
cover i.e. good light exposure, much of the continuium in which it is =
found would be considered woodland; e.g. open enough for Trillium =
erectum and Christmas fern but too shaded for grasses, goldenrod (S. =
flexicaulis excepted) or more than sparse ground-cover. =20
It may be true that PI becomes established only in relatively open =
conditions and, once established, can persist in woods too dense for =
establishment. The highly clustered distribution suggests that =
establishment/seed dispersal is infrequent but, once it happens, that =
spreading is largely by rhizomes.=20
=20
Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Randy Lauff=20
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] re positives and rights of Poison Ivy
Hey....! :)
Is it just Antigonish Co. beaches that have beautiful populations of =
PI?
A few years back I had very bad dermatitis on my lower legs, and all =
of the nurses in turn, then both doctors all looked at me, cringed, and =
said, "Been in the woods lately?"
Deep breath...then I replied, "Poison Ivy doesn't grow in the woods =
around here, it's predominantly a beach plant, but can be found in other =
open settings, too." One of the older doctors became quite gruff at =
being corrected!
I believe we have two species of PI in the province...does anyone =
actually see PI growing well inside the woods (not just at the edges)?
Randy
_________________________________
RF Lauff
Way in the boonies of
Antigonish County, NS.
On 27 August 2010 12:24, James W. Wolford <jimwolford@eastlink.ca> =
wrote:
I can't sit back and watch these comments without putting in a plug =
for biodiversity (vive la differences) and for native flora species, all =
of which have rights to existence. We naturalists should take the =
trouble to show people how to identify problematic plants like poison =
ivy. For those who lose sleep about contacting this plant, stay away =
from beaches in the Antigonish area! And, like David says below, it may =
be spotty in distribution but can be very abundant where it does occur.
Cheers from Jim in Wolfville
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Paul S. Boyer" <psboyer@eastlink.ca>
Date: August 27, 2010 10:11:05 AM ADT
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Poison Ivy: was Re: [NatureNS] blackfly bites, or =
what are they
Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
By all means, kill it off. Pick you choice of method: weed-spray, =
atomic weapons =97 but get rid of it.
Leaving it there is like refusing to treat a disease because =
another germ might move it.
On Aug 25, 2010, at 8:32 PM, David & Alison Webster wrote:
Hi Paul & All, Aug 26, 2010
Poison Ivy Is relatively common in the eastern half of Kings =
Co. but can be readily missed even here because the plant distribution =
is highly clustered; e.g. 4 patches of cheek-to-jowl plants that total =
2000 sq paces in 50 acres.
It can be an irritation but even if one could eradicate some =
patches at great cost, the resultant bare ground would simply give more =
invasive plants a toehold.
YT, DW, Kentville
----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul S. Boyer" =
<psboyer@eastlink.ca>
To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] blackfly bites, or what are they
I would rule out the chiggers and the poison ivy. I am very =
familiar with both.
The chigger bites I have experienced are never in the spaced, =
constellation-distribution you describe. They also are unlikely to be =
on open parts of the legs, but rather where clothing is tight, like =
around the belt-line.
Poison ivy produces irregular areas of reaction, depending on =
where the oil from the leaves (and other parts of the plant) has made =
contact. There is some poison ivy in Nova Scotia, but it is relatively =
uncommon: I have had to point it out to many long-time residents. In my =
opinion, it should be treated as a noxious plant, and should be =
eliminated as quickly as possible wherever it is found.
The location of the spots on your legs suggests more some =
nettle-like plant, for some of the various biting insects which have =
been suggested would just as likely have bitten your arms, next, and =
upper body parts.
On Aug 22, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Martin Alpert wrote:
I walked last thurs into North River Fall, in shorts.
On my lower leg I had quite a few, what looked like, black =
fly bites. Some 40 on each leg, randomly spaced - not like I brushed =
into some noxious plant.
Usually they are no problem and the next day they are almost =
gone.
These itch a little.
Today is Sunday and there really red and slightly raised.
Anybody know what happened?
Marty
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hi Randy & All, =
=20
Aug 27, 2010</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> To adapt a now famous comment; =
"It depends=20
upon what you mean by woods."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> I am most familiar with Rhus =
radicans=20
var. rydbergii (AKA Toxicodendron rydbergii; the widespread PI here) =
and, while=20
it does best where some condition (shallow soil over bedrock, poor =
drainage,=20
rock outcrops, recurrent floods---) leads to at most =
relatively=20
open forest cover i.e. good light exposure, much of the continuium =
in which=20
it is found would be considered woodland; e.g. open enough for =
Trillium=20
erectum and Christmas fern but too shaded for grasses, goldenrod =
(S.=20
flexicaulis excepted) or more than sparse ground-cover. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> It may be true that PI becomes =
established=20
only in relatively open conditions and, once established, can persist in =
woods=20
too dense for establishment. The highly clustered distribution suggests =
that=20
establishment/seed dispersal is infrequent but, once it =
happens, that=20
spreading is largely by rhizomes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>----- Original Message ----- </FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Drandy.lauff@gmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:randy.lauff@gmail.com">Randy=20
Lauff</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 27, 2010 =
12:55=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] re =
positives and=20
rights of Poison Ivy</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hey....! :)
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Is it just Antigonish Co. beaches that have beautiful populations =
of=20
PI?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>A few years back I had very bad dermatitis on my lower legs, and =
all of=20
the nurses in turn, then both doctors all looked at me, cringed, and =
said,=20
"Been in the woods lately?"</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Deep breath...then I replied, "Poison Ivy doesn't grow in the =
woods=20
around here, it's predominantly a beach plant, but can be found in =
other open=20
settings, too." One of the older doctors became quite gruff at being=20
corrected!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I believe we have two species of PI in the province...does anyone =
actually see PI growing well inside the woods (not just at the =
edges)?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Randy</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>_________________________________<BR>RF Lauff<BR>Way in the =
boonies=20
of<BR>Antigonish County, NS.<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On 27 August 2010 12:24, James W. Wolford =
<SPAN=20
dir=3Dltr><<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:jimwolford@eastlink.ca">jimwolford@eastlink.ca</A>></SP=
AN>=20
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">I can't sit back and watch =
these comments=20
without putting in a plug for biodiversity (vive la differences) and =
for=20
native flora species, all of which have rights to existence. =
We=20
naturalists should take the trouble to show people how to identify=20
problematic plants like poison ivy. For those who lose sleep =
about=20
contacting this plant, stay away from beaches in the Antigonish =
area!=20
And, like David says below, it may be spotty in distribution =
but can=20
be very abundant where it does occur.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Cheers from Jim in Wolfville<BR>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>Begin forwarded message:</DIV><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT=20
style=3D"FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D3=20
face=3DHelvetica><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px =
Helvetica"=20
size=3D3 face=3DHelvetica>"Paul S. Boyer" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:psboyer@eastlink.ca"=20
target=3D_blank>psboyer@eastlink.ca</A>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT=20
style=3D"FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D3=20
face=3DHelvetica><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px =
Helvetica"=20
size=3D3 face=3DHelvetica>August 27, 2010 10:11:05 AM =
ADT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT=20
style=3D"FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D3=20
face=3DHelvetica><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px =
Helvetica" size=3D3=20
face=3DHelvetica><A href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca"=20
target=3D_blank>naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT=20
style=3D"FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D3=20
face=3DHelvetica><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px =
Helvetica"=20
size=3D3 face=3DHelvetica><B>Re: Poison Ivy: was Re: [NatureNS] =
blackfly=20
bites, or what are they</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT=20
style=3D"FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D3=20
face=3DHelvetica><B>Reply-To: </B></FONT><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px =
Helvetica"=20
size=3D3 face=3DHelvetica><A =
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca"=20
target=3D_blank>naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">By all means, kill it off.<SPAN> =20
</SPAN>Pick you choice of method: weed-spray, atomic weapons =97 =
but get rid=20
of it.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Leaving it there is like refusing to =
treat a=20
disease because another germ might move it.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">On Aug 25, 2010, at 8:32 PM, David =
& Alison=20
Webster wrote:</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Hi Paul & All,<SPAN> =
=20
</SPAN>Aug 26,=20
2010</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN> </SPAN>Poison Ivy Is =
relatively=20
common in the eastern half of Kings Co. but can be readily =
missed even=20
here because the plant distribution is highly clustered; e.g. 4 =
patches=20
of cheek-to-jowl plants that total 2000 sq paces in 50 =
acres.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN> </SPAN>It can be an =
irritation but=20
even if one could eradicate some patches at great cost, the =
resultant=20
bare ground would simply give more invasive plants a =
toehold.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">YT, DW, Kentville</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">----- Original Message ----- From: =
"Paul S.=20
Boyer" <<A href=3D"mailto:psboyer@eastlink.ca"=20
target=3D_blank>psboyer@eastlink.ca</A>></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">To: <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca"=20
target=3D_blank>naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A>></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:51 =
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Subject: Re: [NatureNS] blackfly =
bites, or what=20
are they</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">I would rule out the chiggers and =
the poison=20
ivy.<SPAN> </SPAN>I am very familiar with both.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">The chigger bites I have =
experienced are=20
never in the spaced, constellation-distribution you=20
describe.<SPAN> </SPAN>They also are unlikely to be on =
open=20
parts of the legs, but rather where clothing is tight, like =
around the=20
belt-line.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Poison ivy produces irregular areas =
of=20
reaction, depending on where the oil from the leaves (and =
other parts=20
of the plant) has made contact. There is some poison ivy in =
Nova=20
Scotia, but it is relatively uncommon: I have had to point it =
out to=20
many long-time residents.<SPAN> </SPAN>In my opinion, it =
should=20
be treated as a noxious plant, and should be eliminated as =
quickly as=20
possible wherever it is found.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">The location of the spots on your =
legs=20
suggests more some nettle-like plant, for some of the various =
biting=20
insects which have been suggested would just as likely have =
bitten=20
your arms, next, and upper body parts.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">On Aug 22, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Martin =
Alpert=20
wrote:</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">I walked last thurs into North =
River Fall,=20
in shorts.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">On my lower leg I had quite a =
few, what=20
looked like, black fly bites. Some 40 on each leg, randomly =
spaced -=20
not like I brushed into some noxious plant.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Usually they are no problem and =
the next=20
day they are almost gone.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">These itch a little.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Today is Sunday and there really =
red and=20
slightly raised.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Anybody know what happened?</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 14px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: =
0px">Marty</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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