[NatureNS] origin of the annapolis reeds

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An old Yarmouth buddy of mine (b 1878, d 1971) told me those reeds by the 
former railway track in Annapolis resulted from a circus train derailment 
there.  Should have asked him when that happened.  Too late now!


> Hi Fred & All,                Aug 29, 2010
>     It is interesting that, based on the last URL, decline of stands in 
> Europe is a greater worry than expansion. And some here worry about 
> expansion. Is there, lurking in the background at both locations, an 
> underlying human desire for things to remain the same as they were when 
> first seen ?
>
>    Further down on this site (An Information base...recent work) I notice 
> the comment that the European strain can grow in acid soil that has been 
> made alkaline by de-icing salt. I am wondering what kind of de-icing salt 
> can increase soil pH and how.
>
>    Also I notice that most (all ?) of the spread along highways may be by 
> fragmentation, i.e. rhizome cuttings made and transplanted by use of 
> earth-shaping/moving equipment along highways. It would seem that the 
> invasive characteristic of this alien strain is, in this case at least, as 
> man-made as the highways.
>
>    I have long admired the stand at Annapolis (on the left as one goes 
> west out of Annapolis) which, so far as I am aware, is no larger or 
> smaller than it was when I first saw it about 1946. Some assume this stand 
> to be Acadian in origin, based on location I suspect. I have a clone of 
> this stand in the yard (planted 1991) and the base of the culm (with dead 
> sheaths removed) is green but smooth.
>
>    So based on culm base color and surface texture the answer to the 
> question "is this stand European in origin ?" is yes and no. Perhaps I 
> misunderstood-- is the reddish culm color of the native just above the 
> soil level (where I looked) or just above the junction of culm with 
> rhizome ? A red coloration can be indicative of phosphorus deficiency. Do 
> the two strains exhibit this color difference when grown at the same site 
> ?
>
>    The perimeter of the yard stand BTW is readily contained by mowing 2-3 
> times a year.
>
>    There is, with good reason, renewed interest in alternative energy 
> sources and I have wondered if the impressive annual growth of Phragmites 
> could provide fuel for energy on an efficient basis. Do you offhand have 
> figures for the energy equivalent per unit area of Phragmites ?
>
>    It is used in the Netherlands for soil ripening of recently reclaimed 
> polders (part of the reason for the transplant to a very wet area of the 
> garden in 1991) and I think many of our soils with compact impermeable 
> subsoils could become more productive after 20 years under Phragmites.
> So growing this grass on marginal farmland for energy might have a 
> secondary benefit.
>
> Yours truly, Dave Webster, Kentville
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frederick W. Schueler" <bckcdb@istar.ca>
> To: "Dusan Soudek" <soudekd@ns.sympatico.ca>; <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Cc: "Catling, Paul" <Paul.Catling@AGR.GC.CA>
> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:37 AM
> Subject: [NatureNS] Re: Common Reed in N.S.?
>
>
>> On 8/27/2010 5:08 PM, Dusan Soudek wrote (off the list):
>>
>>> I am curious about your work on the distribution of the native and the
>>> Old World clones of /Phragmites /in Nova Scotia and elsewhere.
>>>  I am finding more and more Common Reed
>>> populations in the province, principally along highways.
>>> Can you tell the two taxa apart in the field? Or do you need to analyse
>>> their DNA?
>>
>> * I'll take the liberty of replying to the list, since this is the core
>> of what we'll be looking for in Nova Scotia. You can see
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phragmites#Invasive_reeds for a very tepid
>> account of the status and distribution of native and invasive
>> "subspecies" of Phragmites, and
>> http://www.ou.edu/cas/botany-micro/ben/ben417.html for the database and
>> http://www.ou.edu/cas/botany-micro/ben/ben418.html for a compact summary
>> of the Canadian distribution. In places it seems that the native form,
>> as well as the European "subspecies" invader, is increasing along roads,
>> so the observed increase may not be a simple case of alien invasion. The
>> two kinds were described as subspecies, but there's no widespread, or
>> even documented, interbreeding between them, so they may be good
>> biological species.
>>
>> Basically, if you examine the base of the stems, the native subspecies
>> has smooth red or reddish stems, and the invasives have finely ridged
>> yellow or greeen stems. Also the invasives are much more likely to be
>> more than 3m tall. The stands of the natives are more open, with other
>> species of plants often growing admixed, while the invasives form dense
>> monospecific stands. Paul Catling has shown that the flower and seed
>> parts of the natives are larger than those of the invasives, giving the
>> invasive seed head a puffy or plumed look.
>>
>> Last December we drove through the Saint John Valley and SE coast of new
>> Brunswick, and only saw the native form along the roads, and so far have
>> seen only native-looking stands in Nova Scotia, so perhaps it would be
>> possible to prevent, in the maritime provinces, the kind of takeover
>> that has given Phragmites australis ssp. australis its alternative
>> English name: "The Grass that Ate New Jersey," and has led to its total
>> and complete dominance of so many salt marshes in the Atlantic states.
>>
>> We'd be very glad to hear of the location of suspected native or
>> invasive stands, and as soon as we have better internet connections
>> we're going to put up a page for reporting the location of Phragmites
>> stands, which we'll communicate to Paul Catling's national registry of
>> such stands.
>>
>> fred schueler.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>          Frederick W. Schueler & Aleta Karstad
>> Bishops Mills Natural History Centre - http://pinicola.ca/bmnhc.htm
>> Thirty Years Later Expedition -
>> http://fragileinheritance.org/projects/thirty/thirtyintro.htm
>> Longterm ecological monitoring - http://fragileinheritance.org/
>> Daily Paintings - http://karstaddailypaintings.blogspot.com/
>>            http://www.doingnaturalhistory.com/
>>          http://quietcuratorialtime.blogspot.com/
>>     RR#2 Bishops Mills, Ontario, Canada K0G 1T0
>>   on the Smiths Falls Limestone Plain 44* 52'N 75* 42'W
>>    (613)258-3107 <bckcdb at istar.ca> http://pinicola.ca/
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>>
>>  Regards,
>>> Dusan Soudek
>>> /Part of this will be the distribution of native and invasive
>>> colonies of the Reed Phragmites, to see how widespread the invasives
>>> are, and in the hope of suppressing them before they totally take over
>>> salt marshes as they have in such places as New Jersey, and the
>>> roadsides as they have in Ontario and southern Quebec.
>>>
>>> fred schueler.
>>> /
>>> //
>>
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