[NatureNS] further re Toad Hawk?

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Hi Jim & All,                Sep 19, 2010
    I took a melanistic garter snake to Sherman Bleakney in the late 60's or early 70's; dead so he may have made notes or preserved it. This was in New Minas on a somewhat weedy west facing highway cut of the road that crosses the Cornwallis meadow from 101 exit 12 & therefore post construction of this extension by at leasts 3 years.

    It was far more agressive than I have otherwise seen (rearing up, hissing and attempting to strike) so thinking it might be a dangerous escaped pet I killed it.

    I also briefly saw a black snake, presumably garter but at the time I had no idea, at Cambridge in about 1942; just after the 'Waterville' airport was constructed in Cambridge. It was on a ledge of bare earth below an airport drain pipe and at about my chest level so I had an unobstructed view of it.

    This topic came up several years ago on naturens and, if I recall correctly, it was considered to be uncommon but widespread.

    Perhaps John can confirm or correct.
Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James W. Wolford 
  To: NatureNS ; Tuma Young ; John Gilhen 
  Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 6:25 PM
  Subject: [NatureNS] further re Toad Hawk?


  Tuma, Another comment re black snakes in Nova Scotia: melanistic or black Maritime garter snakes occur on George's Island in Halifax Harbour, I believe, but perhaps nowhere else in N.S.?  (However, all snakes and most vertebrates can very rarely show black individuals, e.g. black red squirrels, black groundhogs, black voles, etc.  Cheers from Jim in Wolfville



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    From: "James W. Wolford" <jimwolford@eastlink.ca>
    Date: September 19, 2010 6:17:39 PM ADT
    To: NatureNS <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>, Tuma Young <tumayoung@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: [NatureNS] re Toad Hawk?
    Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca


    Tuma, I would have suggested our broad-winged hawk as a candidate, since it often preys upon snakes -- another candidate that is quite rare in N.S. would be red-shouldered hawk.  Jim in Wolfville



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      From: iamclar@dal.ca
      Date: September 19, 2010 1:04:01 PM ADT
      To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca, tumayoung@yahoo.ca
      Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Toad Hawk
      Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca


      Hi Tuma:


      All the buteos will catch and eat snakes and amphibia. However, I would favour N. Harrier as catching these even moreso, and being suffiently distinct to catch attention.. Just a guess.


      Cheers, Ian






      Quoting Tuma Young <tumayoung@yahoo.ca>:


        Kwe Msit Wen:


        In my search for Mi'kmaq names of birds, I have come across an old name for a
        particular hawk-it is called a Toad Hawk or a Snake-killer hawk.  It is known to
        be a "...Killer of Black Snakes..."  Any one have any idea of which hawk this
        may refer to?


        Your help is appreciated.


        Tuma Young
        Halifax
         Koqwaqja'tekaq'tinej.
        (Let Us Choose The Correct Behaviour)


















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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hi Jim &amp; All,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sep 19, 2010</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I took a melanistic garter snake to Sherman 
Bleakney&nbsp;in the late 60's or early 70's; dead so he may have made notes or 
preserved it. This was in New Minas&nbsp;on&nbsp;a somewhat weedy&nbsp;west 
facing highway cut of the road that crosses the Cornwallis meadow from 101 exit 
12 &amp; therefore post construction of this extension by at leasts 3 
years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It was far more agressive than I have 
otherwise seen (rearing up, hissing and attempting to strike) so thinking it 
might be a dangerous escaped pet I killed it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I also briefly saw a&nbsp;black snake, 
presumably garter but at the time I had no idea, at Cambridge in about 1942; 
just after the 'Waterville' airport was constructed in Cambridge. It was 
on&nbsp;a ledge of bare earth below an airport drain pipe and at about 
my&nbsp;chest level so I had an unobstructed view of it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This topic came up several years ago on 
naturens and, if I recall correctly, it was considered to be uncommon but 
widespread.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Perhaps John can confirm or 
correct.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville</FONT></DIV>
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