[NatureNS] re bird hibernators -- was whip-poor-will , peepers

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I'm going to jump in with what I've noticed over the past week with aeriel =
insects.  On Saturday at the lake there was a lot of insect activity on the=
 water=2C but the trout were not surface feeding yet.  I noticed a lot of s=
ome sort of insect activity yesterday around Blue Rocks.  There were enough=
 of the black insect around that I thought it would be a grand area for mig=
rants to be feeding.  I also had a winged insect of some sort similar to a =
mosquito=2C but different in the yard.  With the cold damp weather today=2C=
 it must have been hard on the insect eaters that are back.
=20
James R. Hirtle
Bayport
=20


From: marymacaulay@hotmail.com
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] re bird hibernators -- was whip-poor-will =2C peepe=
rs at my fen Angevine Lake
Date: Mon=2C 18 Apr 2011 20:01:21 -0300




very interesting - do they band whip poor wills to find out where/when they=
 migrate then?
Also there is a status report out nowthat says the canadian birds are all o=
ne species...?



To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=3B GILHENJA@gov.ns.ca
From: jimwolford@eastlink.ca
Subject: [NatureNS] re bird hibernators -- was whip-poor-will =2C peepers a=
t my fen Angevine Lake
Date: Mon=2C 18 Apr 2011 17:37:30 -0300

I was not aware of what James wrote about male whip-poor-wills capable of t=
orpor=2C but it is the poor-will=2C a relative of the whip-poor-will that l=
ives in western N.Am. including southern B.C.=2C that for a long time was t=
he only documented bird hibernator=2C in rock crevices=2C in the sw. U.S.?=
=2C I believe.  Other birds are capable of torpor=2C e.g. hummingbirds and =
chimney swifts et al.?


Cheers from Jim in Wolfville=20



Begin forwarded message:

From: Mary Macaulay <marymacaulay@hotmail.com>
Date: April 18=2C 2011 3:41:11 PM ADT
To: Nature Nova Scotia <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Whip poor will =2C peepers at my fen Angevine Lake
Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca

Very interesting - all this discussion inspired me to look Whip poor Wills =
up and it seems they are the only bird known to hibernate... Is this true. =
 If so I can see why this one woke up.  It was very noisy at the lake last =
night what with the wood frogs and the peepers in full voice.  and yes ther=
e is one here every year and they have been here forever as far as the "old=
 timers" know - resident in various spots around the lake.  Sorry about the=
 atlas.  I'm not a good birder so have not contributed to it.  If people ar=
e sceptical I can try and record it for you next time I'm down at the lake =
and/or you can come and listen for yourself.=20
=20


Date: Mon=2C 18 Apr 2011 13:27:16 -0300
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Whip poor will =2C peepers at my fen Angevine Lake
From: cindycreighton@gmail.com
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca

With regard to lack of aerial insects=2C I just wanted to mention that we w=
ere out fishing about a week ago on the Southampton River (Cumberland Count=
y) and there was a Mayfly hatch.


Cindy Creighton
Springhill=2C NS


On Mon=2C Apr 18=2C 2011 at 12:47 PM=2C James Churchill <jameslchurchill@gm=
ail.com> wrote:

hi folks=2C=20

I am no expert either. However=2C I do recall some very early and surprisin=
g records for this species. I personally heard one near Aylesford Lake duri=
ng an owl survey April 24 2009. But not again at that location that season=
=2C or since. And there are some early reports in Ontario of mid to late Ap=
ril.

Randy=2C you make a good point about the lack of aerial insects out there r=
ight now. There is some indication that Eastern Whip-poor-wills are able to=
 undergo daily torpor (at least males=3B Lane et al. 2004)=2C and maybe tha=
t is a factor in how they could cut the unpredictable=2C hungry springs up =
here. Recalling the recent naturens string re: bats hunting during the day =
this time of year=2C I wonder if Whip-poor-wills also have some feeding-rel=
ated adaptations to cope with unpredictable food source this time of year.=
=20

cheers=2C=20
James.







On Mon=2C Apr 18=2C 2011 at 11:16 AM=2C Randy Lauff <randy.lauff@gmail.com>=
 wrote:


I have never heard nor seen a Whip-poor-will.


I would have guessed that arriving now would be quite early for most aerial=
 insectivores...we're just getting in the first Tree Swallow reports=2C are=
n't we (I confess to not keeping up with all the sightings)? And Tree Swall=
ows can eat bayberry fruit (perhaps other stuff as well as air-borne insect=
s?).


Tufts (on line http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mnh/nature/nsbirds/bns0222.htm) says=
 the earliest record is of May 4th=3B I understand that Tufts is outdated..=
.but a 2.5 week advance of the earliest record seems odd.


If the bird is described as resident=2C I'm assuming that means it has been=
 there last year as well=2C perhaps longer? It's a shame it's not documente=
d on the Atlas.


I'm sure that the tone of my email strikes folks as skeptical. On the one h=
and=2C the call of the Whip-poor-will is rather distinctive=2C but the bird=
's rarity and normal date of arrival makes this Cumberland bird sighting ou=
t of line with what I know. And what I know of this species isn't much.


Any more details on this bird or the previous resident birds of Angevine La=
ke?


Thanks=2C
Randy_________________________________
RF Lauff
Way in the boonies of
Antigonish County=2C NS.




On 18 April 2011 10:23=2C Mary Macaulay <marymacaulay@hotmail.com>wrote:


Was woken at 2:30 a.m. by our resident Whip poor will.  Peepers also tuning=
 up for the first time last night.
Angevine Lake=2C Cumberland County






--=20
James Churchill
Kentville=2C Nova Scotia
jameslchurchill@gmail.com
home: (902) 681-2374



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I'm going to jump in with what I've noticed over the past week with aeriel =
insects.&nbsp=3B On Saturday at the lake there was a lot of insect activity=
 on the water=2C&nbsp=3Bbut the trout were not surface feeding yet.&nbsp=3B=
 I noticed a&nbsp=3Blot of some sort of insect activity yesterday around Bl=
ue Rocks.&nbsp=3B There were enough of the black insect around that I thoug=
ht it would be a grand area for migrants to be feeding.&nbsp=3B I also had =
a winged insect of some sort similar to a mosquito=2C but different in the =
yard.&nbsp=3B With the cold&nbsp=3Bdamp weather today=2C it must have been =
hard on the insect eaters&nbsp=3Bthat are back.<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
James R. Hirtle<BR>
Bayport<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>

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From: marymacaulay@hotmail.com<BR>To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<BR>Subject: R=
E: [NatureNS] re bird hibernators -- was whip-poor-will =2C peepers at my f=
en Angevine Lake<BR>Date: Mon=2C 18 Apr 2011 20:01:21 -0300<BR><BR>
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very interesting - do they band whip poor wills to find out where/when they=
 migrate then?
<DIV>Also there is a status report out nowthat says the canadian birds are =
all one species...?<BR><BR>
<HR id=3DecxstopSpelling>
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=3B GILHENJA@gov.ns.ca<BR>From: jimwolford@eastl=
ink.ca<BR>Subject: [NatureNS] re bird hibernators -- was whip-poor-will =2C=
 peepers at my fen Angevine Lake<BR>Date: Mon=2C 18 Apr 2011 17:37:30 -0300=
<BR><BR>I was not aware of what James wrote about male whip-poor-wills capa=
ble of torpor=2C but it is the poor-will=2C a relative of the whip-poor-wil=
l that lives in western N.Am. including southern B.C.=2C that for a long ti=
me was the only documented bird hibernator=2C in rock crevices=2C in the sw=
. U.S.?=2C I believe. &nbsp=3BOther birds are capable of torpor=2C e.g. hum=
mingbirds and chimney swifts et al.?
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Cheers from Jim in Wolfville&nbsp=3B<BR>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>Begin forwarded message:</DIV><BR class=3DecxApple-interchange-newline=
>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px=3B MARGIN-LEFT: 0px=3B MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=
<FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Helvetica=3B COLOR: #000000" color=3D#000000 size=
=3D3 face=3DHelvetica><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Helveti=
ca" size=3D3 face=3DHelvetica>Mary Macaulay &lt=3B<A href=3D"mailto:marymac=
aulay@hotmail.com">marymacaulay@hotmail.com</A>&gt=3B</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px=3B MARGIN-LEFT: 0px=3B MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=
<FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Helvetica=3B COLOR: #000000" color=3D#000000 size=
=3D3 face=3DHelvetica><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Helveti=
ca" size=3D3 face=3DHelvetica>April 18=2C 2011 3:41:11 PM ADT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px=3B MARGIN-LEFT: 0px=3B MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=
<FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Helvetica=3B COLOR: #000000" color=3D#000000 size=
=3D3 face=3DHelvetica><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Helvetica=
" size=3D3 face=3DHelvetica>Nature Nova Scotia &lt=3B<A href=3D"mailto:natu=
rens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A>&gt=3B</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px=3B MARGIN-LEFT: 0px=3B MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=
<FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Helvetica=3B COLOR: #000000" color=3D#000000 size=
=3D3 face=3DHelvetica><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Helv=
etica" size=3D3 face=3DHelvetica><B>RE: [NatureNS] Whip poor will =2C peepe=
rs at my fen Angevine Lake</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px=3B MARGIN-LEFT: 0px=3B MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=
<FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Helvetica=3B COLOR: #000000" color=3D#000000 size=
=3D3 face=3DHelvetica><B>Reply-To: </B></FONT><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Hel=
vetica" size=3D3 face=3DHelvetica><A href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=
">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px=3B MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px=3B MARGIN-LEFT: 0px=3B=
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ACING: 0px" class=3DecxApple-style-span><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma=
=3B FONT-SIZE: 13px" class=3DecxApple-style-span>Very interesting - all thi=
s discussion inspired me to look Whip poor Wills up and&nbsp=3Bit seems the=
y are the only bird&nbsp=3Bknown to hibernate... Is this true.&nbsp=3B If s=
o I can see why this one woke up.&nbsp=3B It was very noisy at the lake las=
t night what with the wood frogs and the peepers in full voice.&nbsp=3B and=
 yes there is one here every year and they have been here forever as far as=
 the "old timers" know - resident&nbsp=3Bin various spots around the lake.&=
nbsp=3B Sorry about the atlas.&nbsp=3B I'm not a good birder so have not co=
ntributed to it.&nbsp=3B If people are sceptical I can try and record it fo=
r you next time I'm&nbsp=3Bdown at the lake and/or you can come and listen =
for yourself.&nbsp=3B<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>
<HR id=3DecxstopSpelling>
Date: Mon=2C 18 Apr 2011 13:27:16 -0300<BR>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Whip poo=
r will =2C peepers at my fen Angevine Lake<BR>From: <A href=3D"mailto:cindy=
creighton@gmail.com">cindycreighton@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A href=3D"mailto:=
naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A><BR><BR>With regard to =
lack of aerial insects=2C I just wanted to mention that we were out fishing=
 about a week ago on the Southampton River (Cumberland County) and there wa=
s a Mayfly hatch.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Cindy Creighton</DIV>
<DIV>Springhill=2C NS<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Decxgmail_quote>On Mon=2C Apr 18=2C 2011 at 12:47 PM=2C James C=
hurchill<SPAN class=3DecxApple-converted-space>&nbsp=3B</SPAN><SPAN dir=3Dl=
tr>&lt=3B<A href=3D"mailto:jameslchurchill@gmail.com">jameslchurchill@gmail=
.com</A>&gt=3B</SPAN><SPAN class=3DecxApple-converted-space>&nbsp=3B</SPAN>=
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204=2C204=2C204) 1px solid=3B PADDING=
-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Decxgmail_quote>hi folks=2C<SPAN class=3DecxApple-conver=
ted-space>&nbsp=3B</SPAN><BR><BR>I am no expert either. However=2C I do rec=
all some very early and surprising records for this species. I personally h=
eard one near Aylesford Lake during an owl survey April 24 2009. But not ag=
ain at that location that season=2C or since. And there are some early repo=
rts in Ontario of mid to late April.<BR><BR>Randy=2C you make a good point =
about the lack of aerial insects out there right now. There is some indicat=
ion that Eastern Whip-poor-wills are able to undergo daily torpor (at least=
 males=3B Lane et al. 2004)=2C and maybe that is a factor in how they could=
 cut the unpredictable=2C hungry springs up here. Recalling the recent natu=
rens string re: bats hunting during the day this time of year=2C I wonder i=
f Whip-poor-wills also have some feeding-related adaptations to cope with u=
npredictable food source this time of year.<SPAN class=3DecxApple-converted=
-space>&nbsp=3B</SPAN><BR><BR>cheers=2C<SPAN class=3DecxApple-converted-spa=
ce>&nbsp=3B</SPAN><BR><FONT color=3D#888888>James.</FONT>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dh5><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Decxgmail_quote>On Mon=2C Apr 18=2C 2011 at 11:16 AM=2C Randy L=
auff<SPAN class=3DecxApple-converted-space>&nbsp=3B</SPAN><SPAN dir=3Dltr>&=
lt=3Brandy.lauff@gmail.com&gt=
=3B</SPAN><SPAN class=3DecxApple-converted-space>&nbsp=3B</SPAN>wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Decxgmail_quote>
<DIV>I have never heard nor seen a Whip-poor-will.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I would have guessed that arriving now would be quite early for most a=
erial insectivores...we're just getting in the first Tree Swallow reports=
=2C aren't we (I confess to not keeping up with all the sightings)? And Tre=
e Swallows can eat bayberry fruit (perhaps other stuff as well as air-borne=
 insects?).</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Tufts (on line&nbsp=3B<A href=3D"http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mnh/nature/ns=
birds/bns0222.htm" target=3D_blank>http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mnh/nature/nsbir=
ds/bns0222.htm</A>) says the earliest record is of May 4th=3B I understand =
that Tufts is outdated...but a 2.5 week advance of the earliest record seem=
s odd.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>If the bird is described as resident=2C I'm assuming that means it has=
 been there last year as well=2C perhaps longer? It's a shame it's not docu=
mented on the Atlas.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I'm sure that the tone of my email strikes folks as skeptical. On the =
one hand=2C the call of the Whip-poor-will is rather distinctive=2C but the=
 bird's rarity and normal date of arrival makes this Cumberland bird sighti=
ng out of line with what I know. And what I know of this species isn't much=
.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Any more details on this bird or the previous resident birds of Angevi=
ne Lake?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thanks=2C</DIV>
<DIV>Randy<BR clear=3Dall>_________________________________<BR>RF Lauff<BR>=
Way in the boonies of<BR>Antigonish County=2C NS.
<DIV><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Decxgmail_quote>On 18 April 2011 10:23=2C Mary Macaulay<SPAN cl=
ass=3DecxApple-converted-space>&nbsp=3B</SPAN><SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt=3B<A href=
=3D"mailto:marymacaulay@hotmail.com">marymacaulay@hotmail.com</A>&gt=3B</SP=
AN>wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Decxgmail_quote>
<DIV>Was woken at 2:30 a.m. by our resident Whip poor will.&nbsp=3B Peepers=
 also tuning up for the first time last night.<BR>Angevine Lake=2C Cumberla=
nd County<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><B=
R><BR clear=3Dall><BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dh5>--<SPAN class=3DecxApple-converted-space>&nbsp=3B</SPAN><BR=
>James Churchill<BR>Kentville=2C Nova Scotia<BR><A href=3D"mailto:jameslchu=
rchill@gmail.com">jameslchurchill@gmail.com</A><BR>home:<SPAN class=3DecxAp=
ple-converted-space>&nbsp=3B</SPAN><A target=3D_blank>(902) 681-2374</A><BR=
><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></SPAN></SPAN><BR class=3Decx=
Apple-interchange-newline></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV> 		 	   		  </=
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