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--Apple-Mail-55-386993742 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed David Webster wrote below: Assuming that sea lice and escaped farmed salmon adversely affect wild stock should not the emphasis be on solving these problems ? -------------------- It seems to me that the easiest way to prevent both of the above big problems is to remove the "farming" cages from the ocean, onto land, where the pumped, recirculated sea water used can be monitored, and all the wastes can be collected and treated before the "waste water" is released back into the sea. My two cents, from Jim in Wolfville. Begin forwarded message: > From: David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com> > Date: June 11, 2012 5:34:16 PM ADT > To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca > Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Farmed Salmon > Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca > > Hi Sandy & All, June 11, 2012 > The question that nags is: Would salmon have declined to the > same extent (or nearly the same) if there had been no aquaculture ? > > Public pressure (perhaps misinformed pressure) may force the > industry to undergo a modern version of ordeal by water; the > original being you are innocent if you sink and drown but if you > rise alive to the surface then you are guilty and burned at the > stake. So this is not just an academic question. > > Drawing on memory, e.g. poor salmon runs in some NB rivers as > early as 1950 led to a program to control Mergansers way before > farmed salmon (I think). Also salmon runs along the South and > Eastern shore have been in decline for 5 decades or more. how can > aquaculture have caused this ? Have acid rain and overfishing in > the ocean had no effects after all ? > > Assuming that sea lice and escaped farmed salmon adversely > affect wild stock should not the emphasis be on solving these > problems ? > > Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Hiltz" > <birddog@ns.sympatico.ca> > To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:21 AM > Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Farmed Salmon > > >> Hi Dave, >> >> There is ample evidence of a steep decline in wild salmon stocks, >> both here >> and in Europe, with the evolution of salmon aquaculture. >> Salmon stocks were healthy in the inner Bay of Fundy in rivers >> like the St >> John and Little Salmon rivers in New Brunswick and the Stewiacke >> in Nova >> Scotia prior to open pen salmon farming. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens- >> owner@chebucto.ns.ca] >> On Behalf Of David & Alison Webster >> Sent: June-09-12 9:12 PM >> To: NatureNS@chebucto.ns.ca >> Subject: [NatureNS] Farmed Salmon >> >> Dear All, June 9, 2012 >> There has been numerous articles and letters recently about >> open-pen >> Salmon farms. One in particular caught my eye (June 9, CH, Jim >> Gourlay) >> "...proven devastation of wild Atlantic Salmon stocks wherever >> open-pen >> salmon aquaculture has been sited..." >> >> As I recall, salmon stocks were in very bad shape before >> culture of >> salmon was initiated; culture of salmon being a way to offset the >> shortage >> of wild salmon and take some pressure off of these wild stocks >> that were >> probably being overfished off Greenland. >> >> Are there really examples of abundant salmon stocks in areas >> where there >> has been no open-pen salmon farming ? >> >> Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5056 - Release Date: >> 06/08/12 > --Apple-Mail-55-386993742 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> David Webster wrote below:<div><br></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"6" style=3D"font: 22.0px Helvetica">Assuming = that sea lice and escaped farmed salmon adversely affect wild stock = should not the emphasis be on solving these problems ?</font></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"6"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: = 22px;">--------------------</span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font = class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"6"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-size: 22px;">It seems to me that the easiest way to = prevent both of the above big problems is to remove the "farming" cages = from the ocean, onto land, where the pumped, recirculated sea = water used can be monitored, and all the wastes can be collected = and treated before the "waste water" is released back into the = sea.</span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font = class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"6"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-size: 22px;"><br></span></font></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"6"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 22px;">My two cents, from = Jim in Wolfville.</span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font = class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"6"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-size: 22px;"><br></span></font></div><div><br><div>Begin = forwarded message:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: = </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px = Helvetica">David & Alison Webster <<a = href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com">dwebster@glinx.com</a>></font></div>= <div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: = </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px = Helvetica">June 11, 2012 5:34:16 PM ADT</font></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></font>= </div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" = color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: = #000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><b>Re: [NatureNS] Farmed = Salmon</b></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" = size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: = #000000"><b>Reply-To: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></font>= </div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Hi Sandy & All,<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> = </span>June 11, 2012</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> = </span>The question that nags is: Would salmon have declined to the same = extent (or nearly the same) if there had been no aquaculture ?</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Public pressure = (perhaps misinformed pressure) may force the industry to undergo a = modern version of ordeal by water; the original being you are innocent = if you sink and drown but if you rise alive to the surface then you are = guilty and burned at the stake. So this is not just an academic = question.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> = </span>Drawing on memory, e.g. poor salmon runs in some NB rivers as = early as 1950 led to a program to control Mergansers way before farmed = salmon (I think). Also salmon runs along the South and Eastern shore = have been in decline for 5 decades or more. how can aquaculture have = caused this ? Have acid rain and overfishing in the ocean had no effects = after all ?</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> = </span>Assuming that sea lice and escaped farmed salmon adversely affect = wild stock should not the emphasis be on solving these problems = ?</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">----- = Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Hiltz" <<a = href=3D"mailto:birddog@ns.sympatico.ca">birddog@ns.sympatico.ca</a>></d= iv><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">To: <<a = href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a>></d= iv><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:21 AM</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Farmed Salmon</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Hi Dave,</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">There is ample evidence of a = steep decline in wild salmon stocks, both here</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">and in Europe, with the evolution of salmon = aquaculture.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Salmon stocks were healthy in = the inner Bay of Fundy in rivers like the St</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">John and Little Salmon rivers in New Brunswick and = the Stewiacke in Nova</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Scotia prior to open pen = salmon farming.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">-----Original Message-----</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [<a = href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">mailto:naturens-owner@chebuc= to.ns.ca</a>]</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Behalf Of David & Alison = Webster</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sent: June-09-12 9:12 = PM</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To: <a = href=3D"mailto:NatureNS@chebucto.ns.ca">NatureNS@chebucto.ns.ca</a></div><= div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: [NatureNS] Farmed Salmon</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Dear = All,<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> = </span>June 9, = 2012</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>There has been = numerous articles and letters recently about open-pen</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Salmon farms. One in particular caught my eye (June = 9, CH, Jim Gourlay)</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">"...proven devastation of = wild Atlantic Salmon stocks wherever open-pen</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">salmon aquaculture has been sited..."</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>As I recall, salmon = stocks were in very bad shape before culture of</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">salmon was initiated; culture of salmon being a way = to offset the shortage</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">of wild salmon and take = some pressure off of these wild stocks that were</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">probably being overfished off Greenland.</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Are there really = examples of abundant salmon stocks in areas where there</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">has been no open-pen salmon farming ?</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Yt, Dave Webster, = Kentville</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-----</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">No virus found in this message.</div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Checked by AVG - <a = href=3D"http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</a></div><div style=3D"margin-top:= 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5056 - Release Date: = 06/08/12</div> </blockquote><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; = "><br></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-55-386993742--
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