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y --Apple-Mail-197--653333722 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Steve, On 24-Jun-12, at 4:39 PM, Stephen R. Shaw wrote: > Jim, no conflict. I'm no beetle expert (no doubt we'll hear from > Chris Majka, who is), but 'weevil' is the common name for a usually > smallish type of beetle with a longish, thin 'snout' for boring into > plant structures (you knew that). Flea beetles are a sub-type of > weevil that can jump, as the name suggests. I eventually ended up > in a Kansas State Univ web site that showed an example that looked > like the one we have, though presumably a different species. They > have characteristically over-developed femurs (femora) on the hind > (metathoracic) legs, that power the jump. Apparently all flea > beetles/weevils belong to the tribe Alticini of the leaf beetles, > Chrysomelidae. Some taxonomic confusion here. The Alticini (flea beetles) are indeed a tribe of leaf beetles (Chrysomelidae) within the subfamily Galerucinae. They are distinguished by much expanded meta-femurs (the femora on the third set of legs) which does allow them to spring about a bit like fleas hence the common name. They are not, however, the only beetles with such robust femora. Weevils (family Curculionidae) in the tribe Ramphini also have such expanded meta-femora (as do other beetles). One genus in the Ramphini is Orchestes, and this introduced species is Orchestes fagi (there are three native species in this genus found in Nova Scotia - Orchestes mixtus, Orchestes pallicornis, and Orchestes testaceus - which look very similar but are associated with different plants). In any event, the name "flea beetles" is restricted to the Alticini and Orchestes fagi (a weevil) is not a flea beetle, even though it can spring about like one. > This invader species is Orchestes fagi, according to a June 2012 > notice > > www.halifax.ca/environment/documents/WeevilInfoBulletin.pdf > > The drawing of a specimen there has the bandy-leg-looking femora > partly hidden by the body, so the legs don't look particularly > impressive. The bulletin also calls them '"flea" weevils'. > > Paul -- our site is fairly isolated (no nearby beeches) but the C-H > article says they will also attack other trees like fruit trees, > though the bulletin does not mention this. The Kansas State site > says some can fly quite well, so they certainly can get around. Steve: can you get in touch with me directly at <c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca>? I've sent you a couple of emails but have not received a reply so I fear they may not be making their way to you. Thanks! Chris Christopher Majka <c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca> | Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada * Research Associate: Nova Scotia Museum | http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mnh/research-asfr.htm * Review Editor: The Coleopterists Bulletin | http://www.coleopsoc.org/ * Subject Editor: ZooKeys | http://pensoftonline.net/zookeys/index.php/journal/index * Review Editor: Zootaxa | http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/taxa/Coleoptera.html * Associate Editor: Journal of the Acadian Entomological Society | http://www.acadianes.org/journal.html * Editor: Atlantic Canada Coleoptera | http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Environment/NHR/PDF/index.html * Editor: Bugguide, Coleoptera http://bugguide.net Whenever I hear of the capture of rare beetles, I feel like an old war- horse at the sound of a trumpet. - Charles Darwin --Apple-Mail-197--653333722 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Steve,<div><br><div><div>On = 24-Jun-12, at 4:39 PM, Stephen R. Shaw wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Jim, = no conflict. I'm no beetle expert (no doubt we'll hear from Chris = Majka, who is), but 'weevil' is the common name for a usually smallish = type of beetle with a longish, thin 'snout' for boring into plant = structures (you knew that). Flea beetles are a sub-type of weevil = that can jump, as the name suggests. I eventually ended up in a = Kansas State Univ web site that showed an example that looked like the = one we have, though presumably a different species. They have = characteristically over-developed femurs (femora) on the hind = (metathoracic) legs, that power the jump. Apparently all flea = beetles/weevils belong to the tribe Alticini of the leaf beetles, = Chrysomelidae. </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Some = taxonomic confusion here. The Alticini (flea beetles) are indeed a tribe = of leaf beetles (Chrysomelidae) within the subfamily Galerucinae. They = are distinguished by much expanded meta-femurs (the femora on the third = set of legs) which does allow them to spring about a bit like fleas = hence the common name. They are not, however, the only beetles with such = robust femora. Weevils (family Curculionidae) in the tribe Ramphini also = have such expanded meta-femora (as do other beetles). One genus in = the Ramphini is <i>Orchestes</i>, and this introduced species = is<i> Orchestes fagi</i> (there are three native species in this = genus found in Nova Scotia - <i>Orchestes mixtus, Orchestes = pallicornis,</i> and <i>Orchestes testaceus -</i> which look = very similar but are associated with different = plants).</div><div><br></div><div>In any event, the name "flea beetles" = is restricted to the Alticini and<i> Orchestes fagi </i>(a = weevil) is not a flea beetle, even though it can spring about like = one.</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>This invader species is = Orchestes fagi, according to a June 2012 notice<br><br><a = href=3D"http://www.halifax.ca/environment/documents/WeevilInfoBulletin.pdf= ">www.halifax.ca/environment/documents/WeevilInfoBulletin.pdf</a><br><br>T= he drawing of a specimen there has the bandy-leg-looking femora partly = hidden by the body, so the legs don't look particularly impressive. The = bulletin also calls them '"flea" weevils'.<br><br>Paul -- our site is = fairly isolated (no nearby beeches) but the C-H article says they will = also attack other trees like fruit trees, though the bulletin does not = mention this. The Kansas State site says some can fly quite well, so = they certainly can get = around.<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div><div>Steve: can you get in = touch with me directly at <<a = href=3D"mailto:c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca">c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca</a>>? = I've sent you a couple of emails but have not received a reply so I fear = they may not be making their way to you. = Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Chris</div><br><br><div = apple-content-edited=3D"true"> <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = 'Times New Roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; = orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; 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"><br></span></font></div><div><font = class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"3"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-size: 12px; ">* Research Associate: Nova Scotia Museum = | <a = href=3D"http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mnh/research-asfr.htm">http://museum.gov.n= s.ca/mnh/research-asfr.htm</a></span></font></div><div><font = class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"3"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-size: 12px; ">* Review Editor: The Coleopterists Bulletin = | <a = href=3D"http://www.coleopsoc.org/">http://www.coleopsoc.org/</a></span></f= ont></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"3"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 12px; ">* Subject Editor: = ZooKeys | <a = href=3D"http://pensoftonline.net/zookeys/index.php/journal/index">http://p= ensoftonline.net/zookeys/index.php/journal/index</a></span></font></div><d= iv><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"3"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 12px; ">* Review Editor: = Zootaxa | <a = href=3D"http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/taxa/Coleoptera.html">http://www.ma= press.com/zootaxa/taxa/Coleoptera.html</a></span></font></div><div><font = class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"3"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-size: 12px; ">* Associate Editor: Journal of the Acadian = Entomological Society | <a = href=3D"http://www.acadianes.org/journal.html">http://www.acadianes.org/jo= urnal.html</a></span></font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" = size=3D"3"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 12px; = ">* Editor: Atlantic Canada Coleoptera | <a = href=3D"http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Environment/NHR/PDF/index.html">http://w= ww.chebucto.ns.ca/Environment/NHR/PDF/index.html</a></span></font></div><d= iv><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"3"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 12px; ">* Editor: = Bugguide, Coleoptera <a = href=3D"http://bugguide.net">http://bugguide.net</a></span></font></div><d= iv><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"3"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 12px; = "><br></span></font></div><div><i><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" = size=3D"3"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 12px; = ">Whenever I hear of the capture of rare beetles, I feel like an = old war-horse at the sound of a trumpet.</span></font></i><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" = size=3D"3"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 12px; = "> </span></font></span><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" = size=3D"3"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 12px; = ">- = Charles Darwin</span></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div= ></div></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span> = </div><br></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-197--653333722--
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