[NatureNS] wind power storage

From: David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:41:11 -0300
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Hi Chris, Steve & All,                        Aug 30, 2012
    Yes the capacitance of the cable would store electricity but (and =
here I venture onto thin ice) the magnitude of this storage would be =
vanishingly small.=20

    From here onward the ice is even thinner--
    As a first approximation, when the DC source is removed then the =
voltage between the two ends of the cable would not decrease to zero =
immediately but would fall asymptotically as charge is drained from the =
coaxial sheath.

    The charge delivered to the destination/sec, before removal of  the =
DC source, would be roughly 3 x 10^10 times as great as the charge =
delivered by discharge of the cable. =20

Yt, DW, Kentville
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Christopher Majka=20
  To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
  Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [NatureNS] wind power storage


  Hi Steve,




  "Long undersea / underground high voltage cables have a high =
electrical capacitance compared with overhead transmission lines, since =
the live conductors within the cable are surrounded by a relatively thin =
layer of insulation (the dielectric), and a metal sheath. The geometry =
is that of a long co-axial capacitor. The total capacitance increases =
with the length of the cable. This capacitance appears in parallel with =
the load."


  Does this indicate that the capacitance of cable itself can store =
electricity or am I completely off-base? ;~>



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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hi Chris, Steve &amp; All,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Aug 30, 2012</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Yes the capacitance of the cable =
would=20
store electricity but (and here I venture onto thin ice)&nbsp;the =
magnitude of=20
this storage would be vanishingly small. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; From here onward the ice is even=20
thinner--</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As a first approximation, when =
the DC=20
source is removed then the&nbsp;voltage&nbsp;between the two ends =
of&nbsp;the=20
cable would not decrease to zero immediately but would fall =
asymptotically as=20
charge is drained from the coaxial sheath.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The charge delivered to the=20
destination/sec, before removal of&nbsp; the DC source, would be roughly =
3 x=20
10^10 times as great as the charge delivered by discharge of the=20
cable.&nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Yt, DW, Kentville</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dc.majka@ns.sympatico.ca=20
  href=3D"mailto:c.majka@ns.sympatico.ca">Christopher Majka</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 30, 2012 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] wind =
power=20
  storage</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>Hi Steve,
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>"Long undersea / underground&nbsp;high voltage cables&nbsp;have a =
high=20
  electrical&nbsp;capacitance&nbsp;compared with overhead transmission =
lines,=20
  since the live conductors within the cable are surrounded by a =
relatively thin=20
  layer of insulation (the&nbsp;dielectric), and a metal sheath. The =
geometry is=20
  that of a long co-axial&nbsp;capacitor. The total capacitance =
increases with=20
  the length of the cable. This capacitance appears in parallel with the =

  load."</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Does this indicate that the capacitance of cable itself can store =

  electricity or am I completely off-base? ;~&gt;</DIV>
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