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Quoting David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>:
> Thanks for the URLs. What a mess; the lesson being that carbon
> trades, at the best of times, are just elaborate frauds of which
> this is an outstanding example.
* certainly agree about the things that are called carbon credits,
since none of them seem to sequester carbon on more than a decadal
scale - I'd only give carbon credits for a raised sill on a peaty
wetland.
But as far as this iron fertilization goes, I'll wait until the Salmon
that summer in that area come back - if they return a year early with
a great wide 2012 annulus on their scales, then the fertilizers will
be vindicated - if otherwise, then they'll not have been vindicated.
fred.
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>
> And the long-suffering taxpayer, with two frayed ropes and a used
> apple barrel for clothes (nod to Chambers), will eventually have to
> pay for the 2.5 million flop, the one million in legal fees and the
> $257.43 fine.
>
> Yt, DW
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Schueler" <bckcdb@istar.ca>
> To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>; "David & Alison Webster" <dwebster@glinx.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Iron fertilization
>
>
>> Quoting David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>:
>>
>>> I gather from your comments about 'iron fertilization' that
>>> another trial has run into opposition. Unfortunate if true.
>>>
>>> Certainly trying to unscramble the real effects of a broadcast
>>> application in the open ocean is problematic but the remedy is to
>>> devise approaches that are amenable to statistical test and refine
>>> methods on the basis of results as opposed to debate-- e.g. how
>>> many phytoplankton can grow on the head of an iron pin anyway ?).
>>
>> * here's the NY Times account -
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/science/earth/iron-dumping-experiment-in-pacific-alarms-marine-experts.html?_r=2&emc=eta1& - and some sleuthing of details - http://watershedsentinel.ca/content/new-evidence-re-old-masset-iron-fertilization-scheme - and the CBC - http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/10/19/bc-ocean-fertilization-haida.html everybody seems to be dissing this because none of their friends were part of the scientific
>> staff.
>>
>> It seems to me that if what iron fertilization needed was larger
>> scale experiments, then the thing to do is to wait for the
>> experimenters' report on this project, and if that proves to be
>> inadequate, infer what it's possible to infer from this 100 tonne
>> event, and then see how to do, and fund, a better-controlled
>> experiment. There's great howling against geoengineering, but if
>> we've geomodified the Earth by burning up forests and fossil
>> fuels, then we've got to find out what to do to counteract this or
>> go back to the late Permian/early Triassic condition of 40C
>> equatorial ocean waters, and 50C equatorial lands.
>>
>> fred.
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>>>
>>> Why not e.g. enclose test areas with a polyethylene curtain
>>> around the perimeter, let them drift, sample fallout at intervals
>>> and naturally sample phytoplankton and water composition in the
>>> upper enclosed layers. One could then have real control and test
>>> plots replicated as necessary based on accumulating experience.
>>> With beacons to locate scattered plots and automated
>>> sampling/recording, a mother ship (or more as necessary) could
>>> service sufficient plots over time to obtain data amenable to
>>> statistical tests.
>>>
>>> Iron has been entering the ocean, mostly as dust or eroded
>>> fines, since the dawn of time and, if I recall correctly, areas
>>> with high natural addition rates are unusually productive.
>>>
>>> The high productivity of the Bay of Fundy is often attributed
>>> to deep mixing of nutrients but is iron perhaps one of these or
>>> even the key nutrient ? Fine soil (iron rich) gets swept down
>>> the Bay with every falling tide.
>>>
>>> Which is worse, the potential to make a few mistakes in small
>>> areas of ocean or the really large mistake associated with
>>> contributing to permafrost melt, release of methane from methyl
>>> hydrate, massive positive feedback and runaway global warming ?
>>>
>>> Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
>>
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