[NatureNS] comment re Empty Forests-butterfly atlas data

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From: Mary Macaulay <marymacaulay@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:10:00 -0300
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They are now able to use google map tags on Flickr photos of insects to give=
 some indication of abundance. This had been done for the monarch butterfly a=
nd is a very interesting example of crowd sourcing. Here's the link:
http://www.programmableweb.com/mashup/monarch-butterfly-migration-explorer

Mary=20

On 2013-08-16, at 10:31 AM, "Fred Schueler" <bckcdb@istar.ca> wrote:

> On 8/16/2013 6:01 AM, Phil Schappert wrote:
>>> Has the Butterfly Atlas in the Maritimes or elsewhere in NA been going
>>> on long enough to provide any useful data on population trends for
>>> these species?
>>=20
>> It's not really the right kind of data, Nancy, since it's concerned with
>> diversity/distribution and not abundance. My own survey work this year
>> has found every species I expected to see about where and when I
>> expected to find them BUT I had to put in a lot more effort this year
>> because there are just not as many individuals flying.
>=20
> * but for so many taxa, that's the only kind of data it's practical to gat=
her. The dual problems with the kind of long term trends we've been discussi=
ng in this thread is that 1) it's nearly impossible to find funding to take t=
he time to gather up the longterm data (including qualitative musings such a=
s those in this thread) that exist, and then to analyse them appropriately, a=
nd 2) when you're dealing with a popular taxon like Birds, where the effort f=
or such analysis can be eked out, the totally frightening results of the ana=
lyses, because they're over the "long" term, which gov't and consumerist soc=
iety are ill-equipt to respond to, don't elicit any reaction.
>=20
> Look at the Carbon dioxide data in the Keeling Curve from the Mauna Loa Ob=
servatory - it requires a complete remaking of society (already mandated by m=
any other considerations) if we and other species are to persist, and the th=
e present federal gov't's response is - "let's accelerate the process of rap=
ing ourselves for doubtfully-useful money."
>=20
> fred.
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