[NatureNS] re names for huckleberry -- was this year's blueberry

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Hi Steve & All,                       =20
    Fernald specifies the chemist L.J. (1778-1850; 'original'). The H of =
HBK is Friedrich Wilhelm Heinrich Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859).    =
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    Gaylussacia is New World; N & S America. But no doubt was named by =
HBK to honor J.L. G-L. Many New World plants and animals were described =
by Europeans.
Yt, DW
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Steve Shaw=20
  To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
  Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [NatureNS] re names for huckleberry -- was this year's =
blueberry and huckleberry crop ?


  Hi Dave:   So it's not named for a descendant, it's for the 'original' =
Gay-Lussac, who is sometimes known as J.L. and sometimes  L.J.?  Is the =
first author of your reference the equally or perhaps even more famous =
Alexander von Humboldt, explorer-polymath, his contemporary and =
colleague?  In the early 1800s together they demonstrated that the =
composition of the atmosphere did not change with altitude, for =
instance.  =20
  If what has become known as the huckleberry was discovered as a =
European genus in the first place by v.H. et al., mutual respect and =
friendship could explain how v.H. came to honour G-L in this way, by =
naming the genus Gaylussacia.  Does this sound correct?
  Steve =20


  On 26-Aug-13, at 4:44 AM, David & Alison Webster wrote:
    Hi Steve & All,                    Aug 26, 2013
        Yes the genus, delineatd by HBK (Humboldt, Bonpland & Kunth), =
was named for Louis Joseph Gay-Lussac according to Fernald.
    Yt, DW
      =20
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Steve Shaw
      To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
      Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:28 PM
      Subject: Re: [NatureNS] re names for huckleberry -- was this =
year's blueberry and huckleberry crop ?


      An odd genus name, but presumably it's Gaylussacia not Gaylussaica =
in the other post, relating somehow to the family name of the famous =
French chemist Joseph Gay-Lussac, born in the 1700s and an author of one =
of the gas laws.  Apparently some of his descendants live in Ontario -- =
is that the name connection to the plant, that it was discovered first =
and named by, or for, one of them?
      Steve


      On 26-Aug-13, at 12:01 PM, James W. Wolford wrote:


        Gaylussacia baccata and G. dumosa,  huckleberry and bog =
huckleberry, respectively, in family Ericaceae or heather/heath family.  =
Jim in Wolfville.



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          From: Dave&Jane Schlosberg <dschlosb-g@ns.sympatico.ca>
          Date: August 26, 2013 10:26:25 AM ADT
          To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
          Subject: Re: [NatureNS] this year's blueberry and huckleberry =
crop ?
          Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca


          Would someone please give me the Latin name for =
=93huckleberries=94?  I am aware of more than one species that have that =
common name.  Thanks.
          Jane

          From: Henk Kwindt
          Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:56 PM
          To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
          Subject: Re: [NatureNS] this year's blueberry and huckleberry =
crop ?

          A few days ago I was looking for huckleberries in Queens =
county and there were hardly any.
          Here in Cow Bay there are lots of blackberries but it is hard =
to find ripe ones what I blame on the robbins which seem to be =
everywhere this summer, never seen so many here. Of course, the robbins =
go where the berries are, but they used to leave lots for me, however =
not this summer.
          Henk Kwindt, Cow Bay, NS.


          ----- Original Message -----
            From: Dusan Soudek
            To: NatureNS
            Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 5:00 PM
            Subject: [NatureNS] this year's blueberry and huckleberry =
crop ?

               The wild berry season is upon us, but I am finding very, =
very few ripe fruit. I have recently visited some of my favourite berry =
spots in or near HRM, but am finding the crop very poor compared to last =
year. Particularly so for huckleberries.  Any observations from wild =
berry pickers elsewhere in the province?
               Dusan Soudek
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Dave: &nbsp; So it's not named for a descendant, =
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