[NatureNS] How scientists refer to pigeons

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Hi Steve,

Could you be confusing the Rock Dove, C. livia with the Common Wood Pigeon,
C, palumbus?  I have never heard of C. livia nesting in trees, which is the
norm for the Comon Wood Pigeon as I understand.

Ron


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Stephen Shaw <srshaw@dal.ca> wrote:

> Pigeons?  In Britain, one of the original homes of C. livia and where I
> grew up, the term 'rock dove' was unknown at least to us kids -- we called
> them wood pigeons.  While they would nest in cliffs (Sibley) and abandoned
> quarries as well as under man-made structures like bridges, we usually
> encountered them nesting in wooded areas in low trees.   Many varieties
> were domesticated much earlier for food and/or by 'pigeon fanciers' which
> strongly influenced Darwin in 'The Origin', where he cites them as a main
> example of the large range of variation that can be achieved by selective
> interbreeding -- he also raised varieties himself.   Where I grew up there
> was also an extensive network of pigeon-racing enthusiasts, using 'homing
> pigeons'. They were also kept much earlier for food (pigeon pie?) and
> fertilizer in large, elaborate 'dovecotes' in UK and Europe from the Romans
> onwards (columbaria), many stone examples of which still survive.  The
> modern expansion in the species apparently came from feral escapees that
> started interbreeding in the wild.
>
> It's a seemingly odd question to ask what interacting zoologists would
> call them, as I don't think that there is an extensive group of scientists
> who work on pigeons as such and who would worry about this (outside a
> perhaps dwindling subgroup of pigeon-using psychologists who use them in
> learning discrimination tests, because they can be taught to peck coloured
> keys in search of an associated reward).  By contrast there are now
> probably tens of thousands of scientists using 'Drosophila', usually D.
> melanogaster, who mostly seem not to be worried that the genus name ought
> to be, and perhaps might even end up being, changed to Sophophora.
>  Steve (Halifax)
>
> ________________________________________
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] on
> behalf of Andrew Horn [aghorn@dal.ca]
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:48 PM
> To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] How scientists refer to pigeons
>
> Interesting question. Definitely "pigeon", except when jokingly trying to
> fancy up a lackluster birdlist with "Rock Dove".
>
> But I hadn't thought of Randy's point. E.g., I wonder what zoologists in
> the range of Band-tailed Pigeons would say.
>
> Andy
>
> On Dec 6, 2013, at 1:03 PM, Randy Lauff wrote:
>
> If it's clear by the context that I'm referring to the local bird, I just
> say "pigeon"; since we don't have any other species of pigeon, there should
> be no confusion.
>
> Randy
> _________________________________
> RF Lauff
> Way in the boonies of
> Antigonish County, NS.
>
>
> On 6 December 2013 12:42, Gerald <naturens@zdoit.airpost.net<mailto:
> naturens@zdoit.airpost.net>> wrote:
> How do zoologists refer to the rock pigeon in conversation with other
> zoologists? I refer to Columba livia. Not in papers or presentations,
> just talking around the lab. For example, scientists usually say
> Drosophila instead of fruit fly or Drosophila melanogaster, and
> Strongylo to refer to Strongylocentrotus purpuratus.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Gerald
>
>
>


-- 
Ronald G. Arsenault
Moncton, N.B.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Steve,<div><br></div><div>Could you be confusing the Ro=
ck Dove, C. livia with the Common Wood Pigeon, C, palumbus? =A0I have never=
 heard of C. livia nesting in trees, which is the norm for the Comon Wood P=
igeon as I understand.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Ron</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Stephen Shaw <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srshaw@dal.ca" target=3D"_blank">srshaw@dal=
.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Pigeons? =A0In Britain, one of the original =
homes of C. livia and where I grew up, the term &#39;rock dove&#39; was unk=
nown at least to us kids -- we called them wood pigeons. =A0While they woul=
d nest in cliffs (Sibley) and abandoned quarries as well as under man-made =
structures like bridges, we usually encountered them nesting in wooded area=
s in low trees. =A0 Many varieties were domesticated much earlier for food =
and/or by &#39;pigeon fanciers&#39; which strongly influenced Darwin in &#3=
9;The Origin&#39;, where he cites them as a main example of the large range=
 of variation that can be achieved by selective interbreeding -- he also ra=
ised varieties himself. =A0 Where I grew up there was also an extensive net=
work of pigeon-racing enthusiasts, using &#39;homing pigeons&#39;. They wer=
e also kept much earlier for food (pigeon pie?) and fertilizer in large, el=
aborate &#39;dovecotes&#39; in UK and Europe from the Romans onwards (colum=
baria), many stone examples of which still survive. =A0The modern expansion=
 in the species apparently came from feral escapees that started interbreed=
ing in the wild.<br>

<br>
It&#39;s a seemingly odd question to ask what interacting zoologists would =
call them, as I don&#39;t think that there is an extensive group of scienti=
sts who work on pigeons as such and who would worry about this (outside a p=
erhaps dwindling subgroup of pigeon-using psychologists who use them in lea=
rning discrimination tests, because they can be taught to peck coloured key=
s in search of an associated reward). =A0By contrast there are now probably=
 tens of thousands of scientists using &#39;Drosophila&#39;, usually D. mel=
anogaster, who mostly seem not to be worried that the genus name ought to b=
e, and perhaps might even end up being, changed to Sophophora.<br>

=A0Steve (Halifax)<br>
<br>
________________________________________<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebu=
cto.ns.ca</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-ow=
ner@chebucto.ns.ca</a>] on behalf of Andrew Horn [<a href=3D"mailto:aghorn@=
dal.ca">aghorn@dal.ca</a>]<br>

Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:48 PM<br>