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I'm new around here but I would like to chime in with a perspective from
someone new to birding. I know everyone has heard it all before but I
cannot help stating how invaluable I've found eBird in getting me
started into birding. After a couple of months, the birding itself is
primarily driving my interest in birding now--maybe a bit more than it
should! But I don't know that I would have taken to birding if not for
discovering eBird early on. I think it is a treasure trove of
information and every checklist provides beneficial information for many
years to come. The ability to filter and drill down into the data is
awesome and I've perused hundreds of checklists and hotspots to plan my
trips and target species and I sure appreciate having all that
information at my fingertips. It is really convenient how eBird
automatically keeps track of my nascent year and life lists (which are
the same at this point) as well country, province and county lists. And
l really like that submitting checklists to eBird helps the birds.
It would be awesome if all observations made it to eBird and if posts
from all sources were continually amalgamated but I'm sure neither would
be easy. I assume there is no way to make posts about important
observations on Facebook to be viewable by the public without opening up
the entire site?
Keith Lowe
On 2014-03-24 8:39 PM, James Churchill wrote:
> hi folks,
> Great topic Richard/Ian and something I think a number of people might
> be interested in (well, I am!).
> Folks writing sections for the NS Birds Magazine (NSBS quarterly) are
> very familiar with this too - trying to parse and collate data from
> each of these venues.
>
> One part, philosophical, one part technical, one part quality control,
> one part privacy...
>
> *One venue or many?*
> Encouraging people to use a single mechanism for reporting - like
> eBird - could go a long way, but there is still a large percentage of
> people that might never go that route and prefer more social
> mechanisms like Facebook and naturens (not that naturens is social
> media - just that it hosts discussion as well) where a lot of great
> sightings are posted. Arguably, a more-critical mass of people could
> be encouraged/convinced to eBird, but with ever-increasing options for
> reporting/discussing sightings (listservs, social media apps, eBird,
> websites, photo sites) I doubt we would ever approach
> too-near-unanimity with a single mechanism.
>
> A couple years ago I mapped the Indigo Bunting fallout (2012?) and the
> distribution/spread of Red-bellied Woodpeckers in the province - about
> 20-30% of sightings from NS-RBA and naturens had made it to eBird.
> And, I believe it was around 50% of Snowy Owl sightings made it to
> eBird this year.
>
> Alternatively, instead of, or as well as, trying to encourage people
> to submit to eBird (or whichever central repository), another approach
> could be to make it easy for people to get email messages and facebook
> posts /into /eBird. I think Richard and others are right that no one
> has time to report sightings on several different sites. The approach
> here would be _PARSING_, where when a user posts to facebook or
> naturens, they have the option to also submit this as a record to
> eBird (etc) - the message would be parsed behind the scenes to extract
> the relevant info, the user reviews/modifies, and clicks submit and it
> goes to eBird.
>
> On Facebook or Flicker, this could work via a third party app...that
> doesn't exist yet, that I know of...when you post, you have the option
> to "eBird this post" - any developers in the house?
> On listservs, this could work with a little bit of parsing code, e.g.,
> on the html messages at
> http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Environment/FNSN/MList/ (I have started
> this, but have about as much time as Richard). If parsed well, the
> details of the sighting could be exported into a format amenable to
> eBird's upload-from-file portal.
>
> When doing this, the same questions of data quality arise as with
> current eBird data...and this would have to be balanced against the
> value accrued by the additional records. But there are ways to assign
> confidence to observations, just like we do manually when reviewing
> reports.
>
> I imagine this is a problem that more and more people will face in the
> years to come. Since it will become harder and harder to parse
> information from all these various sources, manually, my perspective
> is that an automated solution (with review) will be most sustainable.
>
> would be happy to be part of a solution-finding party...
> cheers,
>
> James
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Richard Stern <sternrichard@gmail.com
> <mailto:sternrichard@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> This brings up a more general point. At present, bird sightings
> and photos in NS are being reported to NatureNS, NS-RBA, the NSBS
> Facebook page, and EBird, or any, but rarely all, of the above. So
> it's easy to miss stuff if you don't spend the time monitoring all
> those sources. It's hard enough for a casual observer, and must be
> doubly hard for someone trying to collate data for a project, or
> the NSBS magazine etc. If I had the time (which hopefully I might
> in the few years) I would offer to try and coordinate this stuff
> into, say, a daily digest in the NSBS web site or Facebook page,
> or RSS feed, but does anyone have any other thoughts or the time
> to do it?
>
> Richard
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Ian McLaren <I.A.McLaren@dal.ca
> <mailto:I.A.McLaren@dal.ca>> wrote:
>
> AlL:
>
>
> Those who don't monitor the NS Bird Sociey's Facebook site
> (even every 2 or 3 days) will miss what has become, for better
> or worse,the only source of some unusual sightings. In the
> last few days, these have included an Little Blue Heron
> photo'd 23 Mar. at Round Bay, Shel. Co. (Laurel Marie
> Amirault), an American Bittern photo'd at Hemeons Head, Shel.
> Co., and a photo'd Snow Goose with Canadas 23 Mar. near
> Truro (Kate Messer). There have also been a number of first
> spring arrivals there.
>
>
> It would be helpful of such 'good' birds could also be
> reported on NatureNS and/or NS-RBA.
>
>
> Cheers, Ian McLaren
>
>
>
>
> --
> #################
> Richard Stern,
> Port Williams, NS, Canada
> sternrichard@gmail.com <mailto:sternrichard@gmail.com>
> ###################
>
>
>
>
> --
> James Churchill
> Kentville, Nova Scotia
> jameslchurchill@gmail.com <mailto:jameslchurchill@gmail.com>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'm new around here but I would like to
chime in with a perspective from someone new to birding. I know
everyone has heard it all before but I cannot help stating how
invaluable I've found eBird in getting me started into birding.
After a couple of months, the birding itself is primarily driving
my interest in birding now--maybe a bit more than it should! But I
don't know that I would have taken to birding if not for
discovering eBird early on. I think it is a treasure trove of
information and every checklist provides beneficial information
for many years to come. The ability to filter and drill down into
the data is awesome and I've perused hundreds of checklists and
hotspots to plan my trips and target species and I sure appreciate
having all that information at my fingertips. It is really
convenient how eBird automatically keeps track of my nascent year
and life lists (which are the same at this point) as well country,
province and county lists. And l really like that submitting
checklists to eBird helps the birds. <br>
<br>
It would be awesome if all observations made it to eBird and if
posts from all sources were continually amalgamated but I'm sure
neither would be easy. I assume there is no way to make posts
about important observations on Facebook to be viewable by the
public without opening up the entire site?<br>
<br>
Keith Lowe<br>
<br>
On 2014-03-24 8:39 PM, James Churchill wrote:<br>
</div>
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cite="mid:CADF8qtZ6E5NFrRQ6iR7b4KsrwtR6=9RZv_XHtu_J_mo5VZPPRA@mail.gmail.com"
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<div dir="ltr">hi folks,
<div>Great topic Richard/Ian and something I think a
number of people might be interested in (well, I am!). </div>
<div>Folks writing sections for the NS Birds Magazine
(NSBS quarterly) are very familiar with this too -
trying to parse and collate data from each of these
venues. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>One part, philosophical, one part technical, one part
quality control, one part privacy...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b>One venue or many?</b></div>
<div>Encouraging people to use a single mechanism for
reporting - like eBird - could go a long way, but there
is still a large percentage of people that might never
go that route and prefer more social mechanisms like
Facebook and naturens (not that naturens is social media
- just that it hosts discussion as well) where a lot of
great sightings are posted. Arguably, a more-critical
mass of people could be encouraged/convinced to eBird,
but with ever-increasing options for
reporting/discussing sightings (listservs, social media
apps, eBird, websites, photo sites) I doubt we would
ever approach too-near-unanimity with a single
mechanism. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A couple years ago I mapped the Indigo Bunting
fallout (2012?) and the distribution/spread of
Red-bellied Woodpeckers in the province - about 20-30%
of sightings from NS-RBA and naturens had made it to
eBird. And, I believe it was around 50% of Snowy Owl
sightings made it to eBird this year.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Alternatively, instead of, or as well as, trying to
encourage people to submit to eBird (or whichever
central repository), another approach could be to make
it easy for people to get email messages and facebook
posts <i>into </i>eBird. I think Richard and others
are right that no one has time to report sightings on
several different sites. The approach here would be <u>PARSING</u>,
where when a user posts to facebook or naturens, they
have the option to also submit this as a record to eBird
(etc) - the message would be parsed behind the scenes to
extract the relevant info, the user reviews/modifies,
and clicks submit and it goes to eBird. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Facebook or Flicker, this could work via a third
party app...that doesn't exist yet, that I know
of...when you post, you have the option to "eBird this
post" - any developers in the house?</div>
<div>On listservs, this could work with a little bit of
parsing code, e.g., on the html messages at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Environment/FNSN/MList/"
target="_blank">http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Environment/FNSN/MList/</a>
(I have started this, but have about as much time as
Richard). If parsed well, the details of the sighting
could be exported into a format amenable to eBird's
upload-from-file portal.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>When doing this, the same questions of data quality
arise as with current eBird data...and this would have
to be balanced against the value accrued by the
additional records. But there are ways to assign
confidence to observations, just like we do manually
when reviewing reports.<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">I imagine this is a problem that
more and more people will face in the years to come.
Since it will become harder and harder to parse
information from all these various sources, manually, my
perspective is that an automated solution (with review)
will be most sustainable.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">would be happy to be part of a
solution-finding party...</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">cheers, </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> James </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:13
PM, Richard Stern <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sternrichard@gmail.com"
target="_blank">sternrichard@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>This brings up a more general point.
At present, bird sightings and photos in
NS are being reported to NatureNS,
NS-RBA, the NSBS Facebook page, and
EBird, or any, but rarely all, of the
above. So it's easy to miss stuff if you
don't spend the time monitoring all
those sources. It's hard enough for a
casual observer, and must be doubly hard
for someone trying to collate data for a
project, or the NSBS magazine etc. If I
had the time (which hopefully I might in
the few years) I would offer to try and
coordinate this stuff into, say, a daily
digest in the NSBS web site or Facebook
page, or RSS feed, but does anyone have
any other thoughts or the time to do it?<br>
<br>
</div>
Richard<br>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 24,
2014 at 1:06 PM, Ian McLaren <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:I.A.McLaren@dal.ca"
target="_blank">I.A.McLaren@dal.ca</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
<p>AlL: <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Those who don't monitor
the NS Bird Sociey's
Facebook site (even
every 2 or 3 days) will
miss what has become,
for better or worse,the
only source of
some unusual sightings.
In the last few days,
these have included an
Little Blue Heron
photo'd 23 Mar. at Round
Bay, Shel. Co. (Laurel
Marie Amirault), an
American Bittern
photo'd at Hemeons Head,
Shel. Co., and a
photo'd Snow Goose with
Canadas 23 Mar. near
Truro (Kate Messer).
There have also been a
number of first spring
arrivals there.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>It would be helpful of
such 'good' birds could
also be reported on
NatureNS and/or NS-RBA.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Cheers, Ian McLaren <br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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-- <br>
#################<br>
Richard Stern, <br>
Port Williams, NS, Canada<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sternrichard@gmail.com"
target="_blank">sternrichard@gmail.com</a><br>
################### </div>
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