[NatureNS] Ticks Out - the Permethrin Option.. differences from permethrin spays

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Yes well we could get into a google duel on this for sure David.=20
See=20
http://www.beyondpesticides.org/news/daily_news_archive/2004/08_02_04.php

With kindest regards
Mary (Macaulay)
marymacaulay@hotmail.com
@maryemacaulay

> On May 5, 2014, at 9:42 PM, David Patriquin <David.Patriquin@Dal.Ca> wrote=
:
>=20
> Just to be clear, there is a big difference between permethrin-treated clo=
thing, and permethrin in spays for gardens plants, dogs,  etc.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> I have not been a fan of the latter, or even pyrethrum (the fully natural c=
hemical) and have criticized the latter being allowed under HRM's Pesticide B=
y-law and now under provincial legislation because of its broad spectrum eff=
ects and effects on aquatic life in particular (see http://versicolor.ca/law=
ns/docs/updateAug07.html )
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Permethrin applied appropriately to clothing using the appropriate forumul=
ation binds to fabrics and is NOT released even when washed (or is released v=
ery gradually) but remains toxic to insects landing on the clothing. Thus it=
 is much safer than, for example, applying it directly to the body (although=
 that is done for treatment of lice).  The only possible adverse environment=
al effect I could imagine would be disposal of the clothing, but even if it w=
ere dropped in a stream, I think there would be very little effect except at=
 the surface of the fabric. =20
>=20
>=20
> There is a growing issue with widespread and increasing use of pyrethroids=
 as  pesticides=20
>=20
> more toxic to humans  are phased out but that is in no way related to use o=
f permethrin-treated clothing.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> See
>=20
>  http://www.textilescience.ca/downloads/Arielle_Orteza_Report.pdf
>=20
> for some testing of permethrin-treated clothing=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> =20
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beh=
alf of Mary Macaulay <Marymacaulay@hotmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:41 PM
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Ticks Out - the Permethrin Option
> =20
> I hope people will consider very carefully before applying such pesticides=
 as bug b gon and others to their lawns and gardens. Google them and check t=
heir toxicity to pollinators and other beneficial insects. Surely at least t=
hose on this nature living list can be leaders, communicators and advocates f=
or dealing with the less than 2% of insects considered pests in other ways r=
ather than these incredibly poisonous treatments.=20
> As for ticks. Tuck your pant legs in your socks, wear bug jackets and glov=
es etc. Washing pesticide soaked clothing introduces these chemicals into ou=
r water.=20
> Pyrethroids have been found to be unaffected by secondary treatment system=
s at municipal wastewater treatment facilities. They appear in the effluent,=
 usually at levels lethal to invertebrates.
>=20
> With kindest regards
> Mary (Macaulay)
> marymacaulay@hotmail.com
> @maryemacaulay
>=20
> On May 5, 2014, at 8:15 PM, "Dave&Jane Schlosberg" <dschlosb-g@ns.sympatic=
o.ca> wrote:
>=20
>> "Bug B Gon"--widely available hereabouts.  It has pyrethrin.
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----=20
>> From: Phil Schappert
>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:04 PM
>> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Ticks Out - the Permethrin Option
>>=20
>> At 6:49 PM -0300 5/5/14, Dave&Jane Schlosberg wrote:
>>> Permethrin is the chemical form of pyrethrin, which comes from
>>> chrysanthemums.   Pyrethrin is available in many insecticides sold in
>>> garden stores.  It is said to irritate skin, but we sprayed it on the
>>> bottoms of pants and shirt cuffs.  We haven=E2=A4=81t had any ticks (yet=
!) on us.
>>> Or skin irritation.
>>=20
>> A minor correction, Jane, permethrin is the
>> man-made analog of pyrethrin and permethrin is
>> available in far more insecticides than pyrethrin
>> (because permethrin has a longer shelf-life, a
>> longer active period and is cheaper to include in
>> insecticide formulation).
>>=20
>> Phil
>>=20
>> --=20
>>=20
>> Phil Schappert, PhD
>>=20
>> 27 Clovis Ave.
>> Halifax, NS, B3P 1J3
>> 902-460-8343 (cell)
>>=20
>> philschappert.com
>> imaginaturestudio.ca
>> philschappert.ca
>>=20
>> "Just let imagination lead, reality will follow through..."
>>                                        (Michael Hedges)

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: aut=
o;">Yes well we could get into a google duel on this for sure David.&nbsp;</=
div><div><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">See&nbsp;</span><br=
><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><a href=3D"http://www.beyon=
dpesticides.org/news/daily_news_archive/2004/08_02_04.php">http://www.beyond=
pesticides.org/news/daily_news_archive/2004/08_02_04.php</a></span></div><di=
v><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br>With kindest regards</=
span><div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Mary (Macaulay)</div><di=
v style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><a href=3D"mailto:marymacaulay@h=
otmail.com">marymacaulay@hotmail.com</a></div><div style=3D"-webkit-text-siz=
e-adjust: auto;">@maryemacaulay</div></div><div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-a=
djust: auto;"><br>On May 5, 2014, at 9:42 PM, David Patriquin &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:David.Patriquin@Dal.Ca">David.Patriquin@Dal.Ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br=
></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><=
div>

<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii">=




<div id=3D"OWAFontStyleDivID" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:#000000;backgrou=
nd-color:#FFFFFF;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
<p style=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_8"><span style=3D"font-family=
: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size: 14pt;">Just to be clear, there is a big difference between=
 permethrin-treated clothing, and permethrin
 in spays for gardens plants, dogs,&nbsp; etc.</span><br style=3D"">
</span></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra=
nsparent; font-style: normal;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_47">
<span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_=
1399334964234_42"><br style=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_54">
</span></p>
<p id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_50" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-s=
ize: 18.6667px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_=
1399334964234_42">I have not been a fan of the latter, or even pyrethrum (th=
e fully natural chemical) and have criticized the latter being allowed under=
 HRM's Pesticide By-law and now under
 provincial legislation because of its broad spectrum effects and effects on=
 aquatic life in particular (see <a href=3D"http://versicolor.ca/lawns/docs/=
updateAug07.html">http://versicolor.ca/lawns/docs/updateAug07.html</a> )<br s=
tyle=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_63">
</span></p>
<p id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_59" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-s=
ize: 18.6667px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_=
1399334964234_42"><br style=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_68">
</span></p>
<p id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_64" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-s=
ize: 18.6667px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_=
1399334964234_42">Permethrin applied appropriately to clothing using the app=
ropriate forumulation binds to fabrics and is NOT released even when washed (=
or&nbsp;is&nbsp;released&nbsp;very&nbsp;gradually)&nbsp;but
 remains toxic to insects landing on the clothing. Thus it is much safer tha=
n, for example, applying it directly to the body (although that is done for t=
reatment of lice).&nbsp; The only possible adverse environmental effect I co=
uld imagine would be disposal of
 the clothing, but even if it were dropped in a stream, I think there would b=
e very little&nbsp;effect&nbsp;except&nbsp;at&nbsp;the&nbsp;surface&nbsp;of&=
nbsp;the&nbsp;fabric.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra=
nsparent; font-style: normal;">
<br style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
</p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra=
nsparent; font-style: normal;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">There&nbsp;is&nbsp;=
a&nbsp;growing&nbsp;issue&nbsp;with&nbsp;widespread&nbsp;and&nbsp;increasing=
&nbsp;use&nbsp;of&nbsp;pyrethroids&nbsp;as&nbsp;&nbsp;pesticides&nbsp;</span=
></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra=
nsparent; font-style: normal;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">more&nbsp;toxic&nbs=
p;to&nbsp;humans &nbsp;are&nbsp;phased&nbsp;out&nbsp;but&nbsp;that&nbsp;is&n=
bsp;in&nbsp;no&nbsp;way&nbsp;related&nbsp;to&nbsp;use&nbsp;of&nbsp;<span sty=
le=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42"><span style=3D"font-size: 14pt;=
">permethrin</span></span>-treated&nbsp;clothing.<br style=3D"">
<span style=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42"></span></span></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra=
nsparent; font-style: normal;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_=
1399334964234_42"></span></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra=
nsparent; font-style: normal;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style=3D"">
<span style=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42"></span></span></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra=
nsparent; font-style: normal;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style=3D"">
<span style=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42">See</span></span></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra=
nsparent; font-style: normal;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_=
1399334964234_42">&nbsp;<a id=3D"lnk984962" href=3D"http://www.textilescienc=
e.ca/downloads/Arielle_Orteza_Report.pdf">http://www.textilescience.ca/downl=
oads/Arielle_Orteza_Report.pdf</a></span></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.6667px; background-color: tra=
nsparent; font-style: normal;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">for&nbsp;some&nbsp;=
testing&nbsp;of permethrin-treated&nbsp;clothing&nbsp;<br style=3D"">
<span style=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42"></span><span style=3D"=
" id=3D"yui_3_13_0_8_1399334964234_42"></span></span></p>
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y: HelveticaNeue-Light,Helvetica Neue Light,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,L=
ucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal">=

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y: HelveticaNeue-Light,Helvetica Neue Light,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,L=
ucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal">=

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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D=
"#000000" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:nature=
ns-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a> &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a>&gt; on=
 behalf of Mary Macaulay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Marymacaulay@hotmail.com">Mar=
ymacaulay@hotmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 05, 2014 8:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.c=
a</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NatureNS] Ticks Out - the Permethrin Option</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"">I hope people will consider very carefully before applying s=
uch pesticides as bug b gon and others to their lawns and gardens. Google th=
em and check their toxicity to pollinators and other beneficial insects. Sur=
ely at least those on this nature
 living list can be leaders, communicators and advocates for dealing with th=
e less than 2% of insects considered pests in other ways rather than these i=
ncredibly poisonous treatments.&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style=3D"">As for ticks. Tuck your pant legs in your socks, wear b=
ug jackets and gloves etc. Washing pesticide soaked clothing introduces thes=
e chemicals into our water.&nbsp;</span><br>
<span style=3D"">Pyrethroids have been found to be unaffected by secondary t=
reatment systems at municipal wastewater treatment facilities. They appear i=
n the effluent, usually at levels lethal to invertebrates.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br>
</span><span style=3D"">With kindest regards</span>
<div style=3D"">Mary (Macaulay)</div>
<div style=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:marymacaulay@hotmail.com">marymacaulay@hot=
mail.com</a></div>
<div style=3D"">@maryemacaulay</div>
</div>
<div style=3D""><br>
On May 5, 2014, at 8:15 PM, "Dave&amp;Jane Schlosberg" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:dschlosb-g@ns.sympatico.ca">dschlosb-g@ns.sympatico.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"">
<div><span>"Bug B Gon"--widely available hereabouts. &nbsp;It has pyrethrin.=
</span><br>
<br>
<span>-----Original Message----- </span><br>
<span>From: Phil Schappert</span><br>
<span>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:04 PM</span><br>
<span>To: <a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=
</a></span><br>
<span>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Ticks Out - the Permethrin Option</span><br>
<br>
<span>At 6:49 PM -0300 5/5/14, Dave&amp;Jane Schlosberg wrote:</span><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Permethrin is the chemical form of pyrethrin=
, which comes from
</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>chrysanthemums. &nbsp;&nbsp;Pyrethrin is ava=
ilable in many insecticides sold in
</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>garden stores. &nbsp;It is said to irritate s=
kin, but we sprayed it on the
</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>bottoms of pants and shirt cuffs. &nbsp;We h=
aven=E2=A4=81t had any ticks (yet!) on us.
</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Or skin irritation.</span><br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<span>A minor correction, Jane, permethrin is the</span><br>
<span>man-made analog of pyrethrin and permethrin is</span><br>
<span>available in far more insecticides than pyrethrin</span><br>
<span>(because permethrin has a longer shelf-life, a</span><br>
<span>longer active period and is cheaper to include in</span><br>
<span>insecticide formulation).</span><br>
<br>
<span>Phil</span><br>
<br>
<span>-- </span><br>
<br>
<span>Phil Schappert, PhD</span><br>
<br>
<span>27 Clovis Ave.</span><br>
<span>Halifax, NS, B3P 1J3</span><br>
<span>902-460-8343 (cell)</span><br>
<br>
<span>philschappert.com</span><br>
<span>imaginaturestudio.ca</span=
><br>
<span>philschappert.ca</span><br>
<br>
<span>"Just let imagination lead, reality will follow through..."</span><br>=

<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;(Michael Hedges) </span><br>
<br>
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