Unxchained dogs:Re: [NatureNS] Re: Racoon numbers

From: David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>
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HI Darrell,
    There is a great difference between an unchained family pet who =
crosses the farm perimeter only when some nearby bitch is in heat and a =
pack of wild or semi-wild dogs. So we are talking about very different =
situations.

    An additional and perhaps more important factor may be the almost =
total absence of food waste. So for much of the year there would have =
been nothing to attract Raccoons. Pet food was unheard of and the dog =
got table scraps, bacon rind and bones.=20
    Most people had a hog or two mostly fed on scrap food, spare =
apples/vegetables and surplus milk with a supplement of bought meal. =
About the only 'food' that did not get consumed was the rotten portion =
trimmed from potatoes, carrots and turnips that were starting to go.

And in this vein, from WWII Scotland--

Dearly beloved brethern is it not a sin
When peeling potatoes to throw out the skin ?
The skins feed the pigs and the pigs feed us.
Dearly beloved brethern is it not thus ?

Yt, DW, Kentville
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  To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
  Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 9:13 AM
  Subject: [NatureNS] Re: Racoon numbers


  Racoons have increased in numbers but not much, the main casualty is =
vehicle hits now it seems.=20



  My father used to hunt racoons and had up to 10 black & tans hounds =
for it. Used to be another racoon hunter in the Stewiacke Valley too. =
Farmers would call from corn damage and away we would go. My father used =
to show the dogs and has many trophy's. My point is that the main =
control of racoons used to be coon hunters with dogs, not roaming dogs. =
Roaming dogs were always shot on sight as not a person liked them =
chasing animals, wounding and letting die a slow death. Dogs will pack =
up, chase deer and only eat the arse end of deer and leave them to haul =
their hind quarters around living for days. (House cats should not be =
allowed to roam free either, no other pets are allowed!!!)



  My father trapped racoons too as I still do but on a minimum basis. So =
between dog hunter and trappers, racoons numbers were kept in check. not =
as many trappers now and no racoon dog hunters.



  I would say that coyotes must be killing racoons in large numbers now =
too though.



  The large increase in painted turtles in this area (each lake has over =
a dozen) seems largly related to the lack of wood turtles. We never even =
used to see a single painted turtle, now they are everywhere.



  An interesting puzzle,



  Darrell



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  On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 07:46:30 -0300, David & Alison Webster =
<dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:


    Hi Darrell,
        How common/sparse have Raccoon been in this area over the last =
20 years ?=20
    YT, Dave



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      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: darrell@abolitphotos.ca=20
      To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
      Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:33 PM
      Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Miner's Marsh offleash park...


      I really do question SSC. There are painted turtles everywhere =
around my area, littlerly hundreds within a few kms, never seen so many =
in all my life. Now wood turtles used to be the most common but are =
rarely seen now, no mention of them on the SSC list.



      I would say it would be best to educate on leaving well enough =
alone and to say to child... how would you like it if somebody came and =
took you out of our home and put you into a box elsewhere.



      The golden rule truely is golden in teaching all people, not just =
children. Mind you, I would not want to have my legs thrown into a =
frying pan either. Life is a balancing act. You heard of the farmers =
asking for more culling of deer, of course some who don't want the =
killing of anything come out of the woodwork, no balance.



      All the best,

      Darrell



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<DIV>HI Darrell,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; There is a great difference between an unchained =
family=20
pet who crosses the farm perimeter only when some nearby bitch is in =
heat and a=20
pack of wild or semi-wild dogs. So we&nbsp;are talking about very =
different=20
situations.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; An additional and perhaps more important factor =
may be=20
the almost total absence of food waste. So for much of the year there =
would have=20
been nothing to attract Raccoons. Pet food was unheard of and&nbsp;the =
dog got=20
table scraps, bacon rind&nbsp;and bones. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Most people had a hog or two mostly fed on scrap =
food,=20
spare apples/vegetables&nbsp;and surplus milk with a supplement of =
bought meal.=20
About the only 'food' that did not get consumed was the rotten portion =
trimmed=20
from potatoes, carrots and turnips that were starting to go.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>And in this vein, from WWII Scotland--</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Dearly beloved brethern is it not a sin</DIV>
<DIV>When peeling potatoes to throw out the skin ?</DIV>
<DIV>The skins feed the pigs and the pigs feed us.</DIV>
<DIV>Dearly beloved brethern is it not thus ?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Yt, DW, Kentville</DIV>
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  <A title=3Ddarrell@abolitphotos.ca=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 25, 2014 =
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  <P>Racoons have increased in numbers but not much, the main casualty =
is=20
  vehicle hits now it seems.&nbsp;</P>
  <P>&nbsp;</P>
  <P>My father used to hunt racoons and had up to 10 black &amp; tans =
hounds for=20
  it. Used to be another racoon hunter in the Stewiacke Valley too. =
Farmers=20
  would call from corn damage and away we would go.&nbsp;My =
father&nbsp;used to=20
  show the dogs and has many trophy's. My point is that the main control =
of=20
  racoons used to be coon hunters with dogs, not roaming dogs. Roaming =
dogs were=20
  always shot on sight as not a person liked them chasing animals, =
wounding and=20
  letting die a slow death. Dogs will pack up, chase deer and only eat =
the arse=20
  end of deer and leave them to haul their hind quarters&nbsp;around =
living for=20
  days. (House cats should not be allowed to roam free either, no other=20
  pets&nbsp;are allowed!!!)</P>
  <P>&nbsp;</P>
  <P>My father trapped racoons too as I still do but on a minimum basis. =
So=20
  between dog hunter and trappers, racoons numbers were kept in =
check.&nbsp;not=20
  as many trappers now and no racoon dog hunters.</P>
  <P>&nbsp;</P>
  <P>I would&nbsp;say that&nbsp;coyotes must be killing racoons in large =
numbers=20
  now too&nbsp;though.</P>
  <P>&nbsp;</P>
  <P>The large increase in painted turtles in this area (each lake has =
over a=20
  dozen)&nbsp;seems largly related&nbsp;to&nbsp;the lack of wood =
turtles. We=20
  never even used to see a single painted turtle, now they are =
everywhere.</P>
  <P>&nbsp;</P>
  <P>An interesting puzzle,</P>
  <P>&nbsp;</P>
  <P>Darrell</P>
  <P>&nbsp;</P>
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  Wed, 25 Jun 2014 07:46:30 -0300, David &amp; Alison Webster=20
  &lt;dwebster@glinx.com&gt; wrote:<BR></P>
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    <DIV>Hi Darrell,</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; How common/sparse&nbsp;have Raccoon been in =
this=20
    area over the last 20 years ? </DIV>
    <DIV>YT, Dave</DIV>
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      _mce_style=3D"font: 10pt arial; background: #e4e4e4; =
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      <A title=3Ddarrell@abolitphotos.ca =
href=3D"mailto:darrell@abolitphotos.ca"=20
      target=3D"">darrell@abolitphotos.ca</A> </DIV>
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      Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:33 PM</DIV>
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      _mce_style=3D"font: 10pt arial;"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] =
Miner's=20
      Marsh offleash park...</DIV>
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      <P>I really do question SSC. There are painted turtles everywhere =
around=20
      my area, littlerly hundreds within a few kms,&nbsp;never seen so =
many in=20
      all my life. Now wood turtles used to be the most common but are =
rarely=20
      seen now, no mention of them on the SSC list.</P>
      <P>&nbsp;</P>
      <P>I would say it would be best to educate on leaving well enough =
alone=20
      and to say to child... how would you like it if somebody came and =
took you=20
      out of our home and put you into a box elsewhere.</P>
      <P>&nbsp;</P>
      <P>The golden rule truely is golden in teaching all people, not =
just=20
      children. Mind you, I would not want to have my legs thrown into a =
frying=20
      pan either. Life is a balancing act. You heard of the farmers =
asking for=20
      more culling of deer, of course some who&nbsp;don't want the =
killing of=20
      anything come out of the woodwork, no balance.</P>
      <P>&nbsp;</P>
      <P>All the best,</P>
      <P>Darrell</P>
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