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Hi Jim W & All,
As an approximation I would guess that nearly all houses (and =
commercial or public buildings ?) built in towns since 1940, and all =
since 1970, have a ceramic liner, metal liner or both and if properly =
installed these chimneys are smooth throughout apart from a slight =
roughness every 3' (?) where the mortar between ceramic crocks is =
trimmed flat. Successive 6' (?) sections of a metal liner have the upper =
pipe inserted into the lower. And many earlier structures, at the =
urging of Insurance Companies, would likely have had ceramic or metal =
liners retrofitted.=20
I don't know this for a fact but I think ceramic lined chimneys =
would be Swift unfriendly. And a standard metal liner would exclude =
Swifts. I suspect the only Swift friendly chimneys in private dwellings =
will be in old and uninsured or in abandoned structures.=20
So in round numbers how many suitable chimneys would there be in =
Wolfville ?
Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
=20
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jim Wolford=20
To: naturens ; Holly Lightfoot ; Jim Wolford=20
Cc: Donna Crossland ; Mark Elderkin=20
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 5:28 PM
Subject: [NatureNS] re swift youngsters and late dates for N.S.
<snip>
The noisiness of the swiftlings should let people know if they do have =
a nesting going on, and I wonder what to conclude about our lack of =
into=92 on this in Wolfville, where so many people are familiar with the =
species. Cheers from Jim in Wolfville.
Begin forwarded message:
From: James Churchill <jameslchurchill@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Swift nests
Date: August 14, 2014 at 12:25:52 PM ADT
To: naturens <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
hi folks,=20
Just some thoughts re: the Herald and New Glasgow articles on the =
re-habbed 'Swiftlings'. Local experts please chi(r)p in and correct any =
misinformation.
Are NS Chimney Swifts 'gone from the province by mid August'?=20
- the breeding period for Swifts in the Maritimes is May-Sept (via =
BSC)
- there are currently still active nests in the province (some known =
and many unknown)
- although counts at the major roosts suggest that drops in numbers =
seem to occur throughout August, in many years birds are sticking around =
until early September (late nesters like this?)
- in "All the Birds of Nova Scotia" Ian states, "most leave by =
mid-September"
Neither the Herald nor New Glasgow article mentions that Chimney =
Swift young discovered in August do not necessarily need our help if =
found. Just suggesting it would be unfortunate for the meme to be =
promoted that August Swiftlings are unusual and need to be helped if =
found. ('rescuing' is a different discussion!)
(to clarify, I'm not arguing that these New Glasgow Swifts should =
not have been helped in some way by Cobequid; just that Swifts are =
likely not gone from NS by mid-August, and August Swiftlings are perhaps =
not unusual. In the spirit of discussion, happy to hear arguments =
otherwise that bring us closest to the true story for NS).=20
cheers,
James.
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:36 AM, David & Alison Webster =
<dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:
Dear All, Aug 14, 2014
I notice in yesterday's Chron. Hrld. article (Swifts perk up =
after Cobequid centre care) that "The swifts usually leave the small =
nest attached to the inside of a chimney at dawn..." which lays the =
groundwork for a host of further explanations such as-- but sometimes =
remove it then if the early market for false bird's nest soup is =
trending upward. -- and arrange to have it removed later in the day =
when it is not so darn dark in there. -- and sometimes just leave it =
there and move on; provided they can find some safe place where they can =
abandon the kids.
Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
--=20
James Churchill
Kentville, Nova Scotia
jameslchurchill@gmail.com
(902) 681-2374
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<DIV>Hi Jim W & All,</DIV>
<DIV> As an approximation I would guess that nearly =
all houses=20
(and commercial or public buildings ?) built in towns since =
1940, and=20
all since 1970, have a ceramic liner, metal liner or both and =
if=20
properly installed these chimneys are smooth throughout apart from =
a slight=20
roughness every 3' (?) where the mortar between ceramic crocks is =
trimmed=20
flat. Successive 6' (?) sections of a metal liner have the upper pipe =
inserted=20
into the lower. And many earlier structures, at the urging of =
Insurance Companies, would likely have had ceramic or metal liners =
retrofitted.=20
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> I don't know this for a fact but I think ceramic =
lined=20
chimneys would be Swift unfriendly. And a standard metal liner=20
would exclude Swifts. I suspect the only Swift friendly =
chimneys in=20
private dwellings will be in old and uninsured or in abandoned =
structures.=20
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> So in round numbers how many suitable chimneys =
would=20
there be in Wolfville ?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Djimwolford@eastlink.ca =
href=3D"mailto:jimwolford@eastlink.ca">Jim=20
Wolford</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dnaturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dhlightfoot@bsc-eoc.org =
href=3D"mailto:hlightfoot@bsc-eoc.org">Holly=20
Lightfoot</A> ; <A title=3Djimwolford@eastlink.ca=20
href=3D"mailto:jimwolford@eastlink.ca">Jim Wolford</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Ddcrossland@eastlink.ca=20
href=3D"mailto:dcrossland@eastlink.ca">Donna Crossland</A> ; <A=20
title=3Delderkml@gov.ns.ca href=3D"mailto:elderkml@gov.ns.ca">Mark =
Elderkin</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 14, 2014 =
5:28=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NatureNS] re swift =
youngsters=20
and late dates for N.S.</DIV>
<DIV><snip><BR></DIV>The noisiness of the swiftlings should let =
people=20
know if they do have a nesting going on, and I wonder what to conclude =
about=20
our lack of into=92 on this in Wolfville, where so many people are =
familiar with=20
the species. Cheers from Jim in Wolfville.<BR>
<DIV><BR>
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<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
'Helvetica'"><B>From:=20
</B></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'">James Churchill =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:jameslchurchill@gmail.com">jameslchurchill@gmail.com</A>&g=
t;<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
'Helvetica'"><B>Subject:=20
</B></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'"><B>Re: =
[NatureNS] Swift=20
nests</B><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
'Helvetica'"><B>Date:=20
</B></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'">August 14, 2014 =
at=20
12:25:52 PM ADT<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
'Helvetica'"><B>To:=20
</B></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'">naturens <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A>><B=
R></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
'Helvetica'"><B>Reply-To:=20
</B></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'"><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</A><BR></=
SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>hi folks, </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Just some thoughts re: the Herald and New Glasgow articles on =
the=20
re-habbed 'Swiftlings'. Local experts please chi(r)p in and correct =
any=20
misinformation.<BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Are NS Chimney Swifts 'gone from the province by mid=20
August'? <BR></DIV>
<DIV>- the breeding period for Swifts in the Maritimes is May-Sept =
(via=20
BSC)</DIV>
<DIV>- there are currently still active nests in the province (some =
known=20
and many unknown)</DIV>
<DIV>- although counts at the major roosts suggest that drops in =
numbers=20
seem to occur throughout August, in many years birds are sticking =
around=20
until early September (late nesters like this?)<BR></DIV>
<DIV>- in "All the Birds of Nova Scotia" Ian states, "most leave by=20
mid-September"<BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Neither the Herald nor New Glasgow article mentions that =
Chimney Swift=20
young discovered in August do not necessarily need our help if =
found. Just=20
suggesting it would be unfortunate for the meme to be promoted that =
August=20
Swiftlings are unusual and need to be helped if found. ('rescuing' =
is a=20
different discussion!)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>(to clarify, I'm not arguing that these New Glasgow Swifts =
should not=20
have been helped in some way by Cobequid; just that Swifts are =
likely not=20
gone from NS by mid-August, and August Swiftlings are perhaps not =
unusual.=20
In the spirit of discussion, happy to hear arguments otherwise that =
bring us=20
closest to the true story for NS). </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>cheers,<BR></DIV>
<DIV>James.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:36 AM, David =
& Alison=20
Webster <SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com"=20
target=3D_blank>dwebster@glinx.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
class=3Dgmail_quote>Dear All, =
=20
Aug 14,=20
2014<BR> I notice in yesterday's Chron. Hrld. article =
(Swifts=20
perk up after Cobequid centre care) that "The swifts usually leave =
the=20
small nest attached to the inside of a chimney at dawn..." which =
lays the=20
groundwork for a host of further explanations such as-- but =
sometimes=20
remove it then if the early market for false bird's nest soup is =
trending=20
upward. -- and arrange to have it removed later in the day =
when it=20
is not so darn dark in there. -- and sometimes just =
leave it=20
there and move on; provided they can find some safe place where =
they can=20
abandon the kids.<BR><BR><BR>Yt, Dave Webster,=20
Kentville<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=3Dall>
<DIV><BR></DIV>-- <BR>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>James Churchill<BR>Kentville, Nova Scotia<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:jameslchurchill@gmail.com"=20
target=3D_blank>jameslchurchill@gmail.com</A><BR><A=20
href=3D"tel:%28902%29%20681-2374" target=3D_blank =
value=3D"+19026812374">(902)=20
=
681-2374</A><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></=
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