[NatureNS] Brood parasites

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James,

Thanks for the link to the paper. Fascinating subject with lots of ways
to analyze the data.

--
Gerald

On 9/9/14 11:59, James Churchill wrote:
> hi folks, 
> 
> Here is a recent paper summarizing host defense against cowbird
> parisitism in North America:
> 
> HOST DEFENSES AGAINST COWBIRD (MOLOTHRUS SPP.)
> PARASITISM: IMPLICATIONS FOR COWBIRD MANAGEMENT
> 
> Ornithological Monographs, 2005
> http://www.biosci.missouri.edu/avianecology/courses/avianecology/readings/Peer_BD_2005.pdf
> 
> Note, this opens a pdf.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Stephen Shaw <srshaw@dal.ca
> <mailto:srshaw@dal.ca>> wrote:
> 
>     An interesting question is why host species at least in some cases
>     do not take countermeasures to turf out the egg(s) of the parasite. 
>      At least in one case, it is not a problem of clever cryptic
>     coloration having been used to evade detection.  The single cuckoo
>     species we used to see in UK often lays an egg in the nest of the
>     hedge sparrow (dunnock).  The single cuckoo egg is much larger than
>     those of the dunnock, is often white with brown spots versus always
>     plain bright blue for the dunnock.  Some birds, perhaps most, have
>     good colour vision so there should be no problem in detecting an
>     alien egg that is also twice the size.  The newly hatched cuckoo
>     throws out all the dunnock's eggs, so the dunnock ends up not
>     rearing any offspring of its own for that breeding cycle.  This
>     should be a strong evolutionary incentive to develop a defense.
> 
>     Presumably there must be some disadvantage attached to developing a
>     simple defense of detecting then removing an alien egg?  I could see
>     it if the parasite's eggs looked very similar to those of the host
>     -- the defending host bird then might remove some of its own eggs by
>     mistake, a disadvantage.  At least for the UK cuckoo this is not the
>     case: the eggs are easily distinguished from those of most host
>     species'.
> 
>     Is there a plausible explanation for this, and is it a general
>     phenomenon?  If parasitism of the dunnock by the cuckoo were a very
>     recent development, it could be argued that the dunnock has not yet
>     had time to evolve countermeasures, but this sounds a bit lame. 
>      Have any N. American brood parasites (cowbirds?) developed eggs
>     that mimic those of their hosts  -- is there a general rule for
>     this, where the UK cuckoo is an exception?  My guess is that 97% of
>     the folk on NatureNS are birders of some ilk, so someone out there
>     must have an answer.
> 
>     As a related afterthought, bird books in the UK in the 50s-60s used
>     to describe the nests, eggs and nesting habits of birds, not just
>     their plumage.  I haven't seen this here in the Sibley, Petersen etc
>     recent era in Canada/USA or I could probably have answered the
>     cowbird question myself.   I presume the main (and valid) reasons
>     are now to discourage any interest in egg-collecting or
>     nest-disturbing, by simply not giving out any useful information?
>     Steve (Hfx)
>     ________________________________________
>     From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>     <mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>
>     [naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>     <mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>] on behalf of Randy Lauff
>     [randy.lauff@gmail.com <mailto:randy.lauff@gmail.com>]
>     Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 2:03 PM
>     To: NatureNS
>     Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Brood parasites
> 
>     Our own Black-billed Cuckoo normally builds its own nest, but will
>     sometimes brood parasitize other species.
> 
>     They avoid wiping themselves out in the same way carnivores do...too
>     many carnivores, not enough prey, many carnivores starve, prey
>     rebounds, carnivores increase. This is a basic explanation...there's
>     a lot to this.
> 
>     Randy
> 
>     _________________________________
>     RF Lauff
>     Way in the boonies of
>     Antigonish County, NS.
> 
>     On 8 September 2014 13:49, Gerald <naturens@zdoit.airpost.net
>     <mailto:naturens@zdoit.airpost.net><mailto:naturens@zdoit.airpost.net <mailto:naturens@zdoit.airpost.net>>>
>     wrote:
>     I hope brood parasites is the correct term for birds that lay their eggs
>     in the nest of a different species.
> 
>     Are there such parasitic bird species who can also build their own
>     nests? How do they avoid becoming so successful that they wipe out the
>     hosts and thereby themselves?
> 
>     --
>     Gerald
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> James Churchill
> Kentville, Nova Scotia
> jameslchurchill@gmail.com <mailto:jameslchurchill@gmail.com>
> (902) 681-2374 <tel:%28902%29%20681-2374>
> 
> 
> 

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