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I have a few CFL's and one LED,
I like the white light CFL's, you can get different colour
temperature bulbs in CFL's. I also like my LED which has a white light,
not sure if you can get different colour temps in them. A warmer light
would be good in a living/bedroom setting, white in kitchen, white
seems brighter. I think I will eventually switch totally to LED over
time. You should have screwed it in Dave, they cast a wide area, one
12w LED lights up my whole kitchen, 18x22. They say you should use a
warm temp bulb for your bedroom as it has the red spectrum and makes
you sleepier as in sunset and firelight, blue/white light in morning
helps wake you up. Monitors are blue/white/cold light and has an effect
on not helping you sleep, same as a television. It screws up our
circadian rhythm.
I don't agree with a ban either, big brother is a bully. Trouble
lights are no place for a CFL or LED, you NEED incandescent in them,
period. Although the new multi LED clip on and hang lights work well. I
guess the trouble light will be a thing of the past soon too.
Good night under warm light
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:32:18 -0400, David & Alison Webster wrote:
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=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dec 17, 2014
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I didn't notice that slip but would not have been dist=
urbed by
it in any case. Newspaper articles are not intended to be the full
story in technical matters; words get dropped in draft or in editing.
It is my understanding that they contain mercury vapor, vapor will be
distributed throughout the volume of the tube, so mercury-vapor filled
if you wish.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I was more interested in the background of this scam. =
From the
start I concluded that replacing incandescent bulbs with CFL bulbs
would not conserve significant energy under our conditions. And
when=C2=A0LED bulbs arrived in the market I concluded that =C2=A0the same
applied to them. And I object in principle because what is so wrong
with freedom of choice in the marketplace ?
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Correct me if I am mistaken, but it is my understandin=
g based
on the conservation of energy that consumed electricity will be
converted to either light or heat (neglecting the tiny electromagnetic
radiation which I expect might be generated when a switch contact=C2=A0is
made or broken and the energy required to heat the filament initially
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<p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">I have a few CFL's and one LED,</span><=
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<p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">I like the white light CFL's, you can g=
et
different colour temperature bulbs in CFL's. I also like my LED which has a
white light, not sure if you can get different colour temps in them. A warm=
er
light would be good in a living/bedroom setting, white in kitchen, white se=
ems
brighter. I think I will eventually switch totally to LED over time. You sh=
ould
have screwed it in Dave, they cast a wide area, one 12w LED lights up my wh=
ole
kitchen, 18x22. They say you should use a warm temp bulb for your bedroom a=
s it
has the red spectrum and makes you sleepier as in sunset and firelight,
blue/white light in morning helps wake you up. Monitors are blue/white/cold
light and has an effect on not helping you sleep, same as a television. It
screws up our circadian rhythm. </span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">I don't agree with a ban either, big br=
other
is a bully. Trouble lights are no place for a CFL or LED, you NEED incandes=
cent
in them, period. Although the new multi LED clip on and hang lights work we=
ll. I
guess the trouble light will be a thing of the past soon too.</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Good night under warm light</span></p>
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<p><br>On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:32:18 -0400, David & Alison Webster
<dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:</p>
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<div>Hi Rick & All.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=
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Dec 17, 2014</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I didn't notice that slip but would not have been d=
isturbed by it in
any case. Newspaper articles are not intended to be the full story in techn=
ical
matters; words get dropped in draft or in editing. It is my understanding t=
hat
they contain mercury vapor, vapor will be distributed throughout the volume=
of
the tube, so mercury-vapor filled if you wish.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I was more interested in the background of this sca=
m. From the start
I concluded that replacing incandescent bulbs with CFL bulbs would not cons=
erve
significant energy under our conditions. And when=C2=A0LED bulbs arrived in=
the
market I concluded that =C2=A0the same applied to them. And I object in pri=
nciple
because what is so wrong with freedom of choice in the marketplace ?</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Correct me if I am mistaken, but it is my understan=
ding based on the
conservation of energy that consumed electricity will be converted to eithe=
r
light or heat (neglecting the tiny electromagnetic radiation which I expect
might be generated when a switch contact=C2=A0is made or broken and the ene=
rgy
required to heat the filament initially for=C2=A0<< one=C2=A0second).=
Except for
very brief unusually hot=C2=A0periods in summer=C2=A0when long daylight hou=
rs decrease
the need for light, the radiant heat from incandescent bulbs=C2=A0is
welcome.=C2=A0Without this radiant=C2=A0heat, other forms of heating, requi=
ring perhaps
even more energy=C2=A0if they furnished heating=C2=A0less efficiently, woul=
d be
required. Consequently the energy saving, in private residences,=C2=A0attri=
buted to
efficient=C2=A0light sources is an illusion.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 With respect to our house built in 1942, and I woul=
d expect the same
would apply to many houses that were not wired with CFL or LED sources in m=
ind,
selecting either to replace incandescent bulbs would not make sense even if=
they
would save energy. When CFL spirals came out I bought one, read the caution=
s
that came with it (subtitled subliminally "How to burn your house down
without=C2=A0even trying"), examined our fixtures and concluded that not on=
e fixture
in the house was suitable for CFL. So I tried it in a table lamp, found it =
made
my eyes ache=C2=A0and did not use it until, many years later,=C2=A0I needed=
a light
while working in a dark corner.=C2=A0 After a few minutes of use it tipped =
over and
shattered in a very large number of sharp splinters; bulb working life <=
25
minutes.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Late last year Efficiency NS featured a promotion f=
or LEDs; free
bulbs or bulbs at a reduced cost over a period of about two months. So I bi=
t and
found the free bulbs had been available only for a day or so at select loca=
tions
but reduced prices were still in effect on some types at some locations. Th=
ey
were able to recommend the types of LED bulb which had a frequency profile
similar to incandescent and had a list of outlets that sold LED bulbs, and =
a
list of bulb types sold in NS but no list of locations that sold any partic=
ular
kind of bulb and could not understand why anyone would want that kind of
information.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Recently I bought an LED bulb=C2=A0when a bed lamp =
gave out and returned
it without even screwing it into a socket; only the distal end was transpar=
ent,
so it would resemble a searchlight, it was very heavy and the strong holder=
that
was recommended for it had no switch. So convenient.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 LED bulbs make perfect sense outdoors, where any he=
at generated is
truly wasted, and in flashlights. And I have three LED flashlights. One had=
a
life expectancy of 100,000 hours but the switch stopped working after ~5.</=
div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 From a personal point of view, I am 80 years old, s=
o why is an
expensive=C2=A0bulb that is=C2=A0reputed to last 30 years such a bargain ?=
=C2=A0I have
always been careful to have as small an energy footprint as possible. No ai=
r
conditioning, no dryer, usually walked to work etc. And I=C2=A0have records=
of
power, gasoline=C2=A0and=C2=A0oil usage from 1967 onward (used wood as the =
major hear
source since 1981; carbon neutral except for cutting and hauling). When we =
had a
cottage at Sunken Lake, NS Power changed the meter twice in ~30 years becau=
se
they were sure nobody would use so little power.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 If government really wanted to conserve energy then=
they could save
a great deal with a few strokes of a pen. I use a truck mostly to haul my
firewood and typically put on about 1,000 km per year. But to renew the lic=
ense
costs me as much as it costs someone who drives 100,000 km a year.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 If the license fee were proportional to distance tr=
aveled then there
would be a greater incentive to car-pool when possible and=C2=A0a greater i=
ncentive
to live closer to work or use transit; decreasing not only gasoline consump=
tion,
but energy associated with motor vehicle repairs and energy associated with=
wear
and tear on highways and provision for high traffic volumes. Similar
considerations apply to insurance. There is a slight reduction for vehicles
driven less than 10,000 km per year but there would be a real incentive to =
drive
less=C2=A0if=C2=A0insurance cost were more proportional to distance driven =
(expected in
the first year and in the=C2=A0previous year subsequently).=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville</div>
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<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial; background: #e4e4e4; font-color: black;">Fr=
om: <a
title=3D"ideaphore@gmail.com" href=3D"mailto:ideaphore@gmail.com" target=3D=
"">Rick
Ballard</a>
</div>
<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial;">To: <a title=3D"naturens@chebucto.ns.ca"
href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" target=3D"">NatureNS</a>
</div>
<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial;">Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 3:13 PM=
</div>
<div style=3D"font: 10pt arial;">Subject: Re: [NatureNS] light</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family: georgia,serif;">Until I =
read this
article, I was completely unaware that CFL bulbs were "Mercury filled".
8^O</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family: georgia,serif;">=C2=A0</=
div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 15, 2=
014 at
11:24 AM, David & Alison Webster <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com"
target=3D"_blank">dwebster@glinx.com</a>></span> wrote:
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: #ccc 1px solid; mar=
gin: 0px
0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear All,<br>Comment censored.<br><br><a
href=3D"http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/1257496-brighton-light-bulb-s=
witch-dim-example-of-%E2%80%98efficiency%E2%80%99"
target=3D"_blank">http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/1257496-brighton-li=
ght-bulb-switch-dim-example-of-%E2%80%98efficiency%E2%80%99</a><br><br>DW,
Kentville<br><br>
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</div>
<br clear=3D"all"><div>=C2=A0</div>
-- <br><div><span style=3D"font-family: georgia,serif;">Rick Ballard </span=
><br
style=3D"font-family: georgia,serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:
georgia,serif;">Dartmouth,Nova Scotia, Canada </span>
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