[NatureNS] why aren't the days getting longer

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Hi All,                                Dec 23, 2014
    Perhaps the astronomers can put a quantitative edge on this but, in =
qualitative terms, the discrepancy between apparent sun movement and =
clock movement is responsible for such apparent irregularities.

    The excecutive summary would state that the clock moves ahead on =
mean time whereas the sun, being a jolly fellow, is not in the least =
mean.

    If you examine the analemma you will see that from early Sept. to 20 =
Dec. the clock is behind the sun but starting about Nov 1, the clock =
begins to gain on the sun and continues to gain until early Feb. [By Dec =
20 the clock is ahead of the sun. ] Because day length, measured by the =
clock is of constant length this must mean that sun day length during =
this period, when the clock gains on the sun, is less than 24 clock =
hours in length.=20

    This I think arises from our good fortune in the Northern Hemisphere =
that the earth is nearest the sun about Dec 20.

    Yt, DW

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  From: desolatechair=20
  To: naturens=20
  Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 8:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [NatureNS] why aren't the days getting longer


  Andy


  There is some rounding at play, but basically sunrise keeps getting =
later until around the 25th.  The earliest sunset is around the 17th, =
and after the 21st it starts getting later but the incremental change is =
not enough to make up for what we continue to lose in the morning.  =
Takes about a week after the solstice to start making a net gain.


  Regards
  Jamie




  Sent from Samsung Mobile



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  From: Andy Moir/Christine Callaghan=20
  Date:12-23-2014 8:09 AM (GMT-04:00)=20
  To: NatureNS=20
  Subject: [NatureNS] why aren't the days getting longer=20


  According to the environment canada weather page, we actually got 1=20
  minute less sunlight today than yesterday.  I understand about solar=20
  noon (I think), so I'm not really expecting sunrise to be earlier each =

  day...but the total hours of sunlight should be increasing, not=20
  decreasing, after the solstice, I thought.  What up with that?  Is it=20
  perhaps some rounding issue with the Environment Canada calculator?  I =

  get the same result (less sunlight time, when I go to the NOAA solar=20
  Calculator)
  Thanks.
  Andy
  (who's always dealing with the big issues in life)


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<DIV>Hi All,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dec 23, 2014</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Perhaps the astronomers can&nbsp;put a =
quantitative edge=20
on this&nbsp;but, in qualitative terms, the discrepancy between apparent =
sun=20
movement and clock movement is responsible for such apparent=20
irregularities.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The excecutive summary would state that the =
clock moves=20
ahead on mean time whereas the sun, being a jolly fellow, is not in the =
least=20
mean.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you&nbsp;examine the analemma you will see =
that from=20
early Sept. to 20 Dec. the clock is behind the sun but starting about =
Nov 1, the=20
clock begins to gain on the sun and continues to gain until early Feb. =
[By Dec=20
20 the clock is ahead of the sun. ] Because day length, measured by the =
clock is=20
of constant length this must mean that&nbsp;sun&nbsp;day length during =
this=20
period, when the clock gains on the sun,&nbsp;is less than 24 =
clock&nbsp;hours=20
in length. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This I think arises from our good fortune in the =

Northern Hemisphere that the earth is nearest the sun about Dec =
20.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Yt, DW</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 23, =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] why =
aren't the=20
  days getting longer</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Andy</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>There is some rounding at play, but basically sunrise keeps =
getting later=20
  until around the 25th. &nbsp;The earliest sunset is around the 17th, =
and after=20
  the 21st it starts getting later but the incremental change is not =
enough to=20
  make up for what we continue to lose in the morning. &nbsp;Takes about =
a week=20
  after the solstice to start making a net gain.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Regards</DIV>
  <DIV>Jamie</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"COLOR: #575757; FONT-SIZE: 9px">Sent from Samsung=20
  Mobile</DIV></DIV><BR><BR>
  <DIV>-------- Original message --------</DIV>
  <DIV>From: Andy Moir/Christine Callaghan <SLICKDOG1@GMAIL.COM></DIV>
  <DIV>Date:12-23-2014 8:09 AM (GMT-04:00) </DIV>
  <DIV>To: NatureNS <NATURENS@CHEBUCTO.NS.CA></DIV>
  <DIV>Subject: [NatureNS] why aren't the days getting longer </DIV>
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