[NatureNS] re politics etc. re Mother Canada Never Forgotten

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The last thing I found to be unbelievable was the outcome of the May 2, 2011
election.  Everything since has not surprised me.  J

 

From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]
On Behalf Of Jim Wolford
Sent: June 24, 2015 11:16 PM
To: naturens
Subject: [NatureNS] re politics etc. re Mother Canada Never Forgotten
memorial for CPHNPark

 

I don't like adding a "ditto" and sending to the entire list, but I agree
hugely with Dave Webster's words below, and kudos also to the sleuthing by
Paul Schneidereit and the Globe & Mail editorial etc.  Every time we hear
something new about this proposed project, it gets absolutely worse and
worse and unbelievable that such antics could take place in our "democratic"
homeland!

 

Yours truly from Jim (in Burns Lake, B.C., temporarily)

 

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From: Lois Codling <loiscodling@hfx.eastlink.ca>

Subject: Re: [NatureNS] "Unbiased" evaluation

Date: June 24, 2015 at 6:37:49 PM PDT

To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca

Reply-To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca

 

Well said, Dave!

Lois Codling



On 24/06/2015 10:06 PM, David & Alison Webster wrote:

Dear All,                                    June 24, 2015

    I don't want to beat a dead horse but what struck me in todays article
was the relevation that this project presented as a  "...purely privately
funded venture ... proceeding on the strength of its own merits, based on
impartially done reviews.." is in fact the exact opposite.

    Approved by the Conservative government in August 2013, given gushing
thumbs up by the CEO of Parks Canada two months later, helped by a $100,000
donation from Parks Canada (i.e. tax money) in 2013, evaluation of the
project effected by a major stakeholder, afforded only two weeks for public
consultation (being window dressing only why allow more time?) and, being
established as a charity will be funded by $20 to $30 million of tax money.

 

    In my view, the best way to honor those who lose their lives in defense
of democracy and individual freedom is 1) to ensure that those who come back
damaged in body or mind receive suitable financial support and medical care
[not happening] and 2) to protect democracy and freedom from degradation
[not happening].

 

    And Nick, I don't think installation of a Mother Canada statue at some
location (and I assume you mean some location not in the park) should be
decided entirely by those who live within a 10 km radius; unless of course
they proposed to return the 100 K to Parks Canada, forgo the charitable
donation route and the associated $20 to $30 million tax money and use a
size, design and name that is not deplorably crass.

 

    And as noted in the Globe and Mail article there is a far more suitable
memorial already in the Park; a modest cairn with words to honor their
sacrifice.  They surely did not die so that the residents of Dingwall, Cape
North or Ingonish could have a tourist attraction.

 

Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville

 

----- Original Message -----

From: John and Nhung <mailto:nhungjohn@eastlink.ca> 

To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca

Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:28 PM

Subject: RE: [NatureNS] "Unbiased" evaluation

 

I share concern for the economy of northern Cape Breton, respect the voices
from that part of the world more than those from the various supportive
luminaries, and remain appalled at the proposal that this be built in a
national park, the main objectives of which should be to preserve and
protect nature, and educate the public  therein.

The most constructive suggestion I have heard so far is that this thing be
built north of the park, where the economy is struggling even more.

-----Original Message-----
From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca[mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On
Behalf Of David & Alison Webster
Sent: June 24, 2015 9:25 AM
To: NatureNS@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: [NatureNS] "Unbiased" evaluation

Dear All,                        June 24, 2015

    Interesting article in today's Chron.Hrld.

 
<http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/1294831-schneidereit-a-monument-in-gre
en-cove-to-conflicts-of-interest>
http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/1294831-schneidereit-a-monument-in-gree
n-cove-to-conflicts-of-interest

    What a mess.

DW, Kentville

 


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mal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";colo=
r:#1F497D'>The last thing I found to be unbelievable was the outcome of the=
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/span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>=
J</span><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";=
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;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1=
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S style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans=
-serif"'> naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.=
ca] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Wolford<br><b>Sent:</b> June 24, 2015 11:16 PM<=
br><b>To:</b> naturens<br><b>Subject:</b> [NatureNS] re politics etc. re Mo=
ther Canada Never Forgotten memorial for CPHNPark<o:p></o:p></span></p></di=
v></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I do=
n&#8217;t like adding a &#8220;ditto&#8221; and sending to the entire list,=
 but I agree hugely with Dave Webster&#8217;s words below, and kudos also t=
o the sleuthing by Paul Schneidereit and the Globe &amp; Mail editorial etc=
=2E &nbsp;Every time we hear something new about this proposed project, it =
gets absolutely worse and worse and unbelievable that such antics could tak=
e place in our &#8220;democratic&#8221; homeland!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Yours t=
ruly from Jim (in Burns Lake, B.C., temporarily)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Begin forwarde=
d message:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-s=
erif"'>From: </span></b><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"=
'>Lois Codling &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loiscodling@hfx.eastlink.ca">loiscodli=
ng@hfx.eastlink.ca</a>&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Subject: Re: [=
NatureNS] &quot;Unbiased&quot; evaluation</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-ser=
if"'>Date: </span></b><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>=
June 24, 2015 at 6:37:49 PM PDT</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>To: </spa=
n></b><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><a href=3D"mailt=
o:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></span><o:p></o:p></p=
></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",=
"sans-serif"'>Reply-To: </span></b><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","=
sans-serif"'><a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.n=
s.ca</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Well said, Dave!=
<br><br>Lois Codling<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>On 24=
/06/2015 10:06 PM, David &amp; Alison Webster wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
/div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans=
-serif"'>Dear All,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; June 24, 2015<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"=
Helvetica","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class=3Dapple-converted-sp=
ace>&nbsp;</span>I don't want to beat a dead horse but what struck me in to=
days article was the relevation that this project presented as a&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&quot;...purely privately funded venture&nbsp;...&nbsp;proceeding on the s=
trength of its own merits, based on impartially done reviews..&quot; is in =
fact the exact opposite.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Approved by=
 the Conservative government in August 2013, given gushing thumbs up by the=
 CEO of Parks Canada two months later, helped by a $100,000 donation from P=
arks Canada (i.e. tax money) in 2013, evaluation of the project effected by=
 a major stakeholder,&nbsp;afforded only&nbsp;two weeks&nbsp;for public&nbs=
p;consultation (being&nbsp;window dressing&nbsp;only why&nbsp;allow more ti=
me?) and, being established as a charity will be funded by $20 to $30 milli=
on of tax money.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9=
=2E0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class=
=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>In my view, the best way to honor tho=
se who lose their lives in defense of democracy and individual freedom is 1=
) to ensure that those who come back damaged in body or mind receive suitab=
le financial support and medical care [not happening] and 2) to protect dem=
ocracy and freedom from degradation [not happening].<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"=
Helvetica","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-seri=
f"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>And =
Nick, I don't think installation of&nbsp;a Mother Canada statue at some loc=
ation (and I assume you mean some location not in the park) should be decid=
ed entirely by those who live within a 10 km radius; unless of course they =
proposed to return the 100 K to Parks Canada, forgo the charitable donation=
 route and the associated $20 to $30 million tax money and use a size, desi=
gn and name that is not deplorably crass.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",=
"sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>And as noted in=
 the Globe and Mail article there is a far more suitable memorial already i=
n the Park; a modest cairn with words to honor their sacrifice.&nbsp; They =
surely did not die so that the residents of Dingwall, Cape North or Ingonis=
h could have a tourist attraction.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-s=
erif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Yt, Dave Webst=
er, Kentville<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blac=
k 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margi=
n-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message --=
---<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'backgroun=
d:#E4E4E4'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-ser=
if"'>From:</span></b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span></span><span s=
tyle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href=3D"mailt=
o:nhungjohn@eastlink.ca" title=3D"nhungjohn@eastlink.ca">John and Nhung</a>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span class=
=3Dapple-converted-space><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial=
","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" title=
=3D"naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span class=3Dapple-converted-=
space><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nb=
sp;</span></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-=
serif"'>Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:28 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","=
sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span s=
tyle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span></s=
pan><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>RE: [=
NatureNS] &quot;Unbiased&quot; evaluation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",=
"sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p><span style=3D'font-size=
:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I share concern for the economy =
of northern Cape Breton, respect the voices from that part of the world mor=
e than those</span><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span style=3D'font-=
size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>from the vario=
us supportive luminaries, and remain appalled at the proposal that this be =
built in</span><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span style=3D'font-size=
:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span></span><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>a national park, t=
he main objectives of which should be to preserve and protect nature, and e=
ducate the public&nbsp; therein.</span><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-=
family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The most constructive sug=
gestion I have heard so far is that this thing be built</span><span class=
=3Dapple-converted-space><b><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Hel=
vetica","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span></b></span><b><span style=3D'font-size:9=
=2E0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>north</span></b><span class=3Dap=
ple-converted-space><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","s=
ans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:=
"Calibri","sans-serif"'>of the park, where the economy is struggling even m=
ore.</span><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-ser=
if"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>From:<span=
 class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owne=
r@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a>[<a href=3D"mailto:natur=
ens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a>] On Beha=
lf Of David &amp; Alison Webster<br>Sent: June 24, 2015 9:25 AM<br>To:<span=
 class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mailto:NatureNS@cheb=
ucto.ns.ca">NatureNS@chebucto.ns.ca</a><br>Subject: [NatureNS] &quot;Unbias=
ed&quot; evaluation</span><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helve=
tica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt=
;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Dear All,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; June 24, 2015</span><span style=3D'font-=
size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><=
span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Interesting artic=
le in today's Chron.Hrld.</span><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:=
"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style=3D'font-size=
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