[NatureNS] Red Herring & Forestry

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Sensible advice Paul.  

 

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n=E2=80=99! 

 

From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] =
On Behalf Of rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca
Sent: December 24, 2015 1:24 PM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca; John and Nhung
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Red Herring & Forestry

 

Not to worry John 

Pay the local fellow in cash - the kind that folds!

Don't argue about the wood - and take it when he has it.

His wife will be phoning asking when you can take a load.

Works for me!

Enjoy the rain

Paul

  


> On December 24, 2015 at 12:08 PM John and Nhung <nhungjohn@eastlink.ca> w=
rote: 
> 
> 
> Yeah, I get the impression that the main problem with the Point Tupper 
> monster is its size. A smaller operation might have fit in quite nicely. =

> Of course, the NewPage surprise added to the mess, but mess it is, and I =

> hope the government ad the operators can ramp back its biomass consumptio=
n 
> to a more sensible, sustainable scale. 
> 
> Fingers crossed for a mild winter, with minimum demand for firewood! All =

> this tells me we still need to take solar heat and other renewable source=
s 
> more seriously. 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca=
] 
> On Behalf Of Stephen Shaw 
> Sent: December 24, 2015 11:59 AM 
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca 
> Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Red Herring & Forestry 
> 
> Ed Darby? Abraham Darby I around 1709 modified the blast furnace that had=
 
> already been evolving for over a millenium, to consume coke instead of 
> charcoal as the source of carbon that formed the carbon monoxide used to =

> reduce raw iron oxide to pig iron, the starting point for other iron 
> products. Charcoal gave a purer iron product, but making coke from coal 
> proved much cheaper than making charcoal from harvested trees, by then a =

> scarce commodity. For both charcoal and coke, a main byproduct was/is CO2=
 
> gas from the finally oxidised carbon, released into the atmosphere. The 
> cheaper Darby coke method, later improved, caught on rapidly: a gnomic ir=
ony 
> of this is that while saving some of the CO2-consuming much diminished 
> forests from approaching extinction, it led rapidly to much greater iron =

> production via burning fossil carbon that underpinned the Industrial 
> Revolution in Britain, which in turn led to ever increasing CO2 emissions=
, 
> eventually worldwide. 
> 
> On a lesser point not covered by reporter Aaron Beswick's article in the =
C-H 
> that Dave referred to, if you had tried to get a few cords of 16" cut 
> firewood for your wood stove in early 2015, as we did, you would have fou=
nd 
> that initially, none of the local suppliers around Halifax could get any =

> logs, because they believed that such wood that had been harvested was 
> nearly all going directly to Point Tupper biomass monster, because that h=
ad 
> been built too large for the available supply of so-called 'waste' wood a=
nd 
> bark. Central planning at its very best. Our supplier eventually got some=
 
> logs from New Brunswick, but the price went up considerably. 
> Steve 
> ________________________________________ 
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] on 
> behalf of David & Alison Webster [dwebster@glinx.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 7:12 PM 
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca 
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Red Herring & Forestry 
> 
> Hi Nick & All, Dec 23, 2015 
> I have only few minutes so will deal with the "gnomic" question first 
> and return later to the rest. 
> It was a new word to me so I had to consult a dictionary which referred 
> me to sententious=3D Aphoristic, pithy, given to the use of maxims; (of 
> persons) =3D fond of pompous moralizing; maxim=3D A general truth drawn f=
rom 
> science or experience. 
> I think we should both plead guilty to the "gnomic" charge and be 
> flattered. As for the "pompous moralizing"; I am frequently inclined to 
> quote the King James Bible but then remember: "Be not righteous over much=
, 
> neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself ?"; 
> Ecclesiastes 7:16; and decide not to. 
> 
> Merry Christmas All & A Happy New Year 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Nicholas Hill<mailto:fernhillns@gmail.com> 
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca <mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca%3cmailto:natu=
rens@chebucto.ns.ca> <mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 4:32 PM 
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Red Herring & Forestry 
> 
> A friend recently accused me of being "gnomic", and ill-educated lout as =
i 
> am, i took issue at being called a gnome, but moving into this here case =
at 
> hand, I think the gnomes have it: "And warning that use of biomass is not=
 
> green is perhaps already an effective way to indirectly kill trees." Not =

> exactly gnomic but not entirely designed for clarity and explicitness. Th=
en 
> we have: "And if not now, then without doubt in the future." This non 
> sentence leaves us without a doubt in the future waiting with and like Go=
dot 
> for some Christmas clarety. 
> 
> Seriously, I see Dave's point and Jamie's. England found a way through 
> Edward Darby to stop using beech trees for coking to make steel; Darby 
> figured out how to substitute coal for wood and thank god because England=
 
> had run out of most decent sized trees and was charcoaling most of its 
> forests. David is right that the first quotation is an overstatement but =

> Jamie's point was most welcome in today's Herald. We not only are running=
 
> the risk of losing good forest but we are running down our forest soils s=
o 
> that tree regrowth is poor, forest composition is weedy, wildlife suffers=
, 
> and the carbon balance (ie. that less carbon dioxide is being emitted tha=
n 
> would be if we allowed forests to grow and used conventional fossil fuels=
 in 
> the most efficient manner) is questionable. We want to move away from 
> "Green" that is not sustainable for wildlife and I would put biomass and =

> large scale hydroelectric both in that unsustainable class. 
> 
> Good on David and Jamie, the environmental critic and the advocate. 
> 
> Merry Christmas guys 
> 
> Nick 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:56 PM, David & Alison Webster 
> <dwebster@glinx.com <m