[NatureNS] Protected areas; ATV use-some thoughts for moose and trout

From: Donna Crossland <dcrossland@eastlink.ca>
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Sadly, there is a minority among the ATV groups who have carelessly =
littered remote locations, and far worse, can fish out previously =
hard-to-get to remote streams with healthy trout populations.  Fires =
have been carelessly started that led to wildfires (e.g., one that I =
have noted on the =E2=80=98fire roads=E2=80=99 recently, which we =
taxpayers must pay to put out.  There is no =E2=80=98let it =
burn=E2=80=99 policy in place, as NS is too small for this concept which =
is more appropriate for other ecosystems such as the vast boreal).  =20

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With respect to the road (or perhaps two roads!!!) that will apparently =
be open to ATVers which transects the middle of Medway Lakes Protected =
area, our Premier spoke of ATVer impacts directly to some of us last =
December, and made two points:

1.        There is no money available to hire more Conservation Officers =
to police our protected areas to ensure illegal activities do not occur

2.       He believes that ATVers will just have to =E2=80=9Cpolice =
themselves=E2=80=9D.

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I can accept the first statement, but was alarmed by the latter.  The =
best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.  I=E2=80=99ve seen =
some of the damage first hand, and I know some of the players involved.  =
This simply won=E2=80=99t work, despite the good that some folks bring.  =
Do drivers of vehicles on highways police themselves??  It is obvious =
that the ATV groups have placed a great deal of political pressure on NS =
politicians to give them access to many places where their travel does =
not serve the best interests of the common good.

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Also, when we think of the remote chance of a rare mainland moose =
wondering some of these protected areas, what chance will it have with =
ATVs zipping by?  It is an unfortunate fact that currently when a moose =
is spotted in the southwest, some of the nonconformist and selfish =
members of our society come back with a flashlight, call it out, and =
that=E2=80=99s the end of the moose.  The ATV is a necessary tool to =
haul out the meat.  This is far less likely to happen if protected areas =
are open only to hikers, canoeists, and even those speeding cyclists. =20

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Some folks lament about owning an ATV with nowhere to drive it.  Why did =
they not foresee this issue before making the purchase?  But then, we =
have hundreds of km of trails and roads for ATVs already.  My friends =
trailer their ATVs and haul them to wherever they want to explore and go =
from there.  Pretty soon, the old railway track through the valley will =
have all of the bridges replaced and will be open for new traffic.  =
(I=E2=80=99ll leave my personal opinion on this aside.  The track runs =
through my property.)  My point is that there are many places to ride =
ATVs without getting greedy and wanting to muddy up protected areas, =
too.  =20

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We own an ATV and use it mostly for the woodlot, but sometimes we go on =
a recreational ride (it=E2=80=99s good to know both sides of the =
equation).   But lest we forget that some wildlife like trout and moose =
pay for our selfishness when we open up still more remote areas to ATVs. =
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Donna Crossland =20

(I always thought I=E2=80=99d marry a cowboy : )   -to =E2=80=98chime =
in=E2=80=99 to the preceding emails, ha! )

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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca =
[mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of John and Nhung
Sent: January-23-16 10:55 AM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Protected areas; ATV use

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Yeah, the majority of folks in any particular group are sensible, and a =
few eejits can ruin the reputation of any group.

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Sensible folks can educate one another, admit to making mistakes, mend =
ways, and still recognize that they can educate other sensible folks.

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I shouldn=E2=80=99t have said =E2=80=9CCowboy,=E2=80=9D Paul.  That was =
unfairly labelling a group who doesn=E2=80=99t deserve it.

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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca =
[mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of =
rita.paul@ns.sympatico.ca
Sent: January 23, 2016 10:34 AM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Protected areas; ATV use

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Well John that has been our observations on several trail groups I've=20

been associated with over the years. ATVers are very helpful.=20

I suspect closer to bigger centers Cowboys may be more plentiful=20

although I was a Cowboy myself in my younger days. The real kind who=20

worked with cows!=20

The worst are bicycles  Those folks think they are better than other =
humans on=20

the trail and all should bow before them. but I guess its easier to stop =
an ATV=20

and get it up to speed than it is with a bicycles. And harder to get =
their hand in=20

the pocket when funds are needed!=20

Enjoy the winter=20

Paul=20

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> On January 23, 2016 at 5:19 AM John and Nhung <nhungjohn@eastlink.ca> =
wrote:=20
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> Hopefully, the ATV access debate will get resolved by sensible folks.=20
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> We were at a joint session in Weymouth a couple of years ago with =
various=20
> stakeholders regarding the future of the Silver River/New France =
lands. It=20
> wasn't too difficult to agree to maintain access on the main existing=20
> trails, open no new trails, and work together to accommodate times and =

> places when species at risk and sensitive environments might be =
adversely=20
> affected. Wasn't rocket science, but did require a little mutual =
respect.=20
> Maybe that's easier to achieve in smaller communities where folks in =
one=20
> camp know those in another! :-)=20
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> By the way, another thing that environmentalists and ATV associations =
easily=20
> agreed to was doing our damnedest to stop the depredations of the =
cowboys.=20
> I suppose we could work together more to achieve that, but we have =
discussed=20
> the issue at times already. And I found that the ATV Association had =
good=20
> suggestions.=20
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> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca =
[mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]=20
> On Behalf Of David & Alison Webster=20
> Sent: January 22, 2016 7:59 PM=20
> To: NatureNS@chebucto.ns.ca=20
> Subject: [NatureNS] Protected areas; ATV use=20
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> Dear All, Jan 22, 2016=20
> I have noticed fair traffic in Voice of the People about ATV access. =
Can=20
> someone bring me up to date on current practice ?=20
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> For example:=20
> 1) Are there any hiking trails in some or all of these areas ?=20
> 2) If there are trails, who pays for clearing windfalls from the =
trails and=20
> maintaining trail markers; a charity or tax dollars (directly or =
indirectly)=20
> ?=20
> 3) Or are windfalls left to dispose of themselves naturally ?=20
> 4) In event of fire is the standard pract