Re[2]: [NatureNS] Ironwood/Hop Hornbeam

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:22:44 -0400 (AST)
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   <span style="font-size: 12pt;">Well Dave, in my yard I&#39;ve had a variety of</span>
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   <span style="font-size: 12pt;">nut bearing seedlings start up. All voluntary!<br/></span>
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   <span style="font-size: 12pt;">One year there was horse chestnuts every where.&#160; I pulled<br/></span>
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   <span style="font-size: 12pt;">most out but left a few. White Ash often and this year what<br/></span>
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   <span style="font-size: 12pt;">looks like an European Chestnut in a couple of spots.<br/></span>
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   <span style="font-size: 12pt;">Blue Jays must be bringing the nuts from trees in neighbours yards.<br/></span>
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   <span style="font-size: 12pt;">A few years ago I cut the top of a 1 cu ft bag of peat moss and<br/></span>
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   <span style="font-size: 12pt;">left it in the yard to see if anything would grow. It did&#160; - birch are now<br/></span>
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   <span style="font-size: 12pt;">2 m high, oak, red maple, rhododendrons have all grown.&#160; They are<br/></span>
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   <span style="font-size: 12pt;">all small yet. This part of the world would go back to forest pretty quickly!<br/></span>
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   <span style="font-size: 12pt;">Enjoy the fall<br/></span>
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   <span style="font-size: 12pt;">Paul<br/></span>
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   On November 13, 2017 at 12:15 PM David &#60;dwebster@glinx.com&#62; wrote:
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    &#160; &#160; On the subject of Beech I am puzzled by the strong association between my roads in the wood lot (about 9&#39; wide) and Beech seedlings within 1-2 feet &#160;beyond the wheel track. To keep some I have had to move the road to one side a bit.
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    &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;There are no Mature Beech in this woodlot so nuts are flown in from elsewhere (perhaps a steep ravine beyond the NW corner) presumably by Jays. So the location of Beech saplings likely reflects either preferential positioning of nuts along road edges or preferential survival in this micro habitat.
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    &#160; &#160; I am inclined to the latter but wonder if Jays bury nuts. Soil near the road edge, where there is less demand for water,&#160;likely wet up earlier in the fall.
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    Sent: 11/13/2017 8:46:29 AM
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    Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Ironwood/Hop Hornbeam
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     <p>I took some time to &#34;paw&#34; about in squirrel-like fashion in a beech-dominated stand a week or so ago in Kejimkujik.&#160; All of the nuts had fallen.&#160; There were small, angular beech nuts all over the ground, now a little more challenging to find in the leaf litter, but they are there in high numbers.&#160; The beech have clearly over-whelmed the birds and mammals with plenty of seed left over to make seedlings if conditions are right.&#160; While search for beech nuts, I also noted a bountiful supply of papery sacs on the ground from ironwood.&#160; The trees were interspersed among the beech in the stand I visited.&#160; I think we often overlook it, but this fall, they stood out somewhat with their clusters of papery sacs.&#160; There were also lots of maple seed on the ground.&#160; I was struck by how valuable this mature hardwood stand, with its diversity of species, must be to wildlife.&#160; It&#39;s a bumper crop this year.</p> 
     <p>I recommend taking some time to explore the litter layer under mature hardwoods right now.&#160; The mouse population should explode.</p> 
     <p>While I was there, I think I saw a chubby squirrel run by carrying a gym bag...</p> 
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      On 2017-11-09 8:32 AM, Nick Hill wrote:
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       A tree with real character, Nancy. Axe handles. Distinctive fibrous bark and those hop like clusters of seeds encased in green envelopes. It is frequent on the south face of the North Mountain&#160; in Kings especially around that upper escarpment where it&#39;s so windy and there&#39;s erosion. It seems also frequent around small streams and in vernal pools in that area and I wonder whether it is dispersed after it hits ground by flotation. T &#38; D Nursery in New Ross is starting to&#160; grow it and Debbie said it took a few years to germinate. The seeds have a double dormancy as do number of plants we call &#34;Alleghanian&#34;. The seed needs a warm stratification&#160; (2mo in moist condition indoors and dark) followed by cold stratification so in nature the seeds will remain&#160; in the soil until they have received those treatments in warm to cold order. 
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        Very cool!
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        On Nov 7, 2017 6:29 PM, &#34;NancyDowd&#34; &#60;
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         This is the first time I have ever come across an Ironwood/Hop Hornbeam tree (Ostrya virginians) in this area- the southernmost part of Kings Co. I see the Flora of NS lists it as being scattered throughout from Annapolis Co. to Cape Breton. Here is a poor pic of the seed cluster:
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         <br/> Just posting it in case anyone keeps track of the ranges of tree species in NS.
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         <br/> E Dalhousie, Kings Co.
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