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Thanks for this note Keith.
Given that 'Spring First Arrivals' is a new initiative and that there are c=
ontent changes for NS Birds on the horizon, I think discussion is necessary=
. Availability of data is much different now than during pre-eBird days. We=
have to take this into account to know where to focus our efforts.
I do want to apologize to Eric regarding my earlier e-mail. I've known Eric=
as long as I've been a birder and I have nothing but respect for him (I kn=
ow he knows that too). Lets work together and ensure that we focus our effo=
rts on the most useful tasks.
Alix Arthur d'Entremont
BSc Geomatics Engineering
292 Abbott's Harbour Road
Middle West Pubnico
Yarmouth Co., Nova Scotia
Canada B0W 2M0
Phone: +1 902 762 2082
Mobile: +1 902 307 0373
e-mail: alixdentremont@hotmail.com
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Website http://alixdentremont.blogspot.ca/
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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beha=
lf of Keith Lowe <mythos25@live.com>
Sent: March 19, 2018 1:40 PM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Spring first arrivals
I was quite shocked to read this Eric. Your tone seems over the top in crit=
icizing an initiative from a group of people who volunteered so much time a=
nd effort to bring us this information. I did provide some data processing =
to them but I don=92t consider myself part of the =93cabal=94 so I can say =
that I think they are doing are great job in proving useful information and=
I=92ll be following it for sure. This info is something I=92ve been wantin=
g for years and I=92m glad someone is finally getting it done.
If a new group of eiders or scoters moves into an area in spring, how could=
anyone know if they came from elsewhere in the province or not? You may be=
one of a few that would have a good idea on that but I don=92t think you c=
ould be certain.
Likewise with robins. There have been groups of hundreds of robins reported=
around the province this winter. If an avid birder recognizes a new a grou=
p or robins that moved into their patch, how could they possibly know if th=
ey overwintered in NS or not? And frankly what difference does it makes whe=
n it comes to robins. We have way too many that over winter to sort out whi=
ch ones didn=92t
Keith
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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beha=
lf of Eric Mills <E.Mills@Dal.Ca>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 9:07:58 AM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Spring first arrivals
Hello Nancy,
So lots of species - Common Eiders, loons, the Scoters, most common gulls, =
Robins, on and on - are excluded from this Citizen Science project.
I think that the anonymous cabal (I know who they are; I am just being face=
tious) that has established these criteria and the list should think again=
. There are many good field birders in Nova Scotia who know their local pat=
ches very well and can make good informed judgements about what has arrived=
and what has been around all winter.
With such a constipated list we will certainly miss new and significant inf=
ormation about many species. I don't think that is necessary and it is cert=
ainly not desirable.
Eric
Eric L. Mills
Lower Rose Bay
Lunenburg Co., NS
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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beha=
lf of nancy dowd <nancypdowd@gmail.com>
Sent: March 19, 2018 7:04:16 AM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Spring first arrivals
These no doubt are Spring First Arrivals, arriving via the route you mentio=
ned. So I will use this opportunity to clarify some of the reasoning behind=
the species list on the NSBS Spring First Arrivals table. http://www.nsbir=
dsociety.ca/library/resources/spring-first-arrivals
The reason these species are not part of this NSBS dataset: We have exclude=
d species who have significant overwintering populations in some part of NS=
(see Conclusion section below table), to reduce any entries that require a=
ssumptions on our part. For example, did those RB Gulls get blown in from a=
nearby wintering population? Or were the Lesser Black-backs (always a tong=
ue twister) ones already present in SW NS (probably not)? Even Baltimore Or=
ioles got nixed due to ambiguity.
NatureNS will be getting regular updates on Spring First Arrivals as the mi=
gration season progresses. So please post any sightings.
Nancy
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:07 PM, Eric Mills <E.Mills@Dal.Ca<mailto:E.Mills@Dal.=
Ca>> wrote:
Two that I believe qualify, with my justification:
Ring-billed Gull - March 18. 10 bright full adults roosting with Herring Gu=
lls off Privateer Park, Liverpool, Queens Co., were not present earlier. Th=
roughout the winter 1-2 Ring-bills, usually first-winter (occasionally adul=
ts) have been present.
Lesser Black-backed Gull - March 11. An adult graellsii arrived among roost=
ing Herring and Greater Black-backed Gulls off Privateer Park, Liverpool, Q=
ueens Co., slept for a while, and then headed off seaward. The timing is co=
nsistent with northward movement from wintering areas in the southeastern U=
SA (likely toward nesting areas in W Greenland or Iceland, although no doub=
t by easy stages so early in the season).
Eric Mills
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