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Lance I can answer with certainty at least one of your questions: The table b=
ackdated to 2014. And is planned to be ongoing from 2018.=20
The dates between 2014 and 2017 were mined from eBird and NSBirds magazine, w=
eighing much heavier on the NSBS publication reports, mainly Spring issues. I=
f any past arrival dates were ambiguous they were not used. Obvious overwint=
ering species were excluded from the start. And as data was picked through m=
any species were culled because there were birds who remained in winter whic=
h overlapped arriving ones. Hence the species list presented.=20
Remember this was done by pawing through past records w/o informed observers=
being present to assess what was really happening on the ground and their k=
nowledge was, of course, unrecorded.=20
After this fraught discussion, and only speaking for myself, I believe we sh=
ould start including all species that do indeed arrive in Spring, only leavi=
ng out residents like Chickadees, from 2018 on. We would have to have inform=
ed consensus opinion on many species to ascertain an actual arrival date but=
not all. But w/ tech it is easy to =E2=80=9Cget together=E2=80=9D to do thi=
s. That way LBBGull, RBGull, and Grackle appearances mentioned below would m=
ost likely qualify. And such a table would certainly be more useful for bird=
ers (at least this one).=20
Just a (long) thought, Nancy
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 19, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Keith Lowe <mythos25@live.com> wrote:
>=20
> I better apologize to Eric too. To me my email wasn=E2=80=99t strong, that=
was not my intention while writing it but two people have written me now an=
d it appeared to them that my email was certainly stronger than I intended. I=
felt disappointment in Eric=E2=80=99s post and felt it was belittling the e=
ffort but I think I also read more into that than Eric intended.
> =20
> I mostly wanted to let the group know there were also those of us who appr=
eciated their effort. But =E2=80=9Cdisparage=E2=80=9D Eric--never would I wa=
nt to do that.
> =20
> Keith
> =20
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> =20
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beh=
alf of Alix d'Entremont <alixdentremont@hotmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 2:19:34 PM
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca; Eric L. Mills
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Spring first arrivals
> =20
> Thanks for this note Keith.
>=20
> Given that 'Spring First Arrivals' is a new initiative and that there are c=
ontent changes for NS Birds on the horizon, I think discussion is necessary.=
Availability of data is much different now than during pre-eBird days. We h=
ave to take this into account to know where to focus our efforts.
>=20
> I do want to apologize to Eric regarding my earlier e-mail. I've known Eri=
c as long as I've been a birder and I have nothing but respect for him (I kn=
ow he knows that too). Lets work together and ensure that we focus our effor=
ts on the most useful tasks.=20
>=20
> Alix Arthur d'Entremont
> BSc Geomatics Engineering
>=20
>=20
>=20
> 292 Abbott's Harbour Road=20
> Middle West Pubnico
> Yarmouth Co., Nova Scotia
> Canada B0W 2M0
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Phone: +1 902 762 2082
> Mobile: +1 902 307 0373
> e-mail: alixdentremont@hotmail.com
> Bird Photography http://www.flickr.com/photos/alixd/
> Website http://alixdentremont.blogspot.ca/
>=20
>=20
>=20
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beh=
alf of Keith Lowe <mythos25@live.com>
> Sent: March 19, 2018 1:40 PM
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Spring first arrivals
> =20
> I was quite shocked to read this Eric. Your tone seems over the top in cri=
ticizing an initiative from a group of people who volunteered so much time a=
nd effort to bring us this information. I did provide some data processing t=
o them but I don=E2=80=99t consider myself part of the =E2=80=9Ccabal=E2=80=9D=
so I can say that I think they are doing are great job in proving useful in=
formation and I=E2=80=99ll be following it for sure. This info is something I=
=E2=80=99ve been wanting for years and I=E2=80=99m glad someone is finally g=
etting it done.
> =20
> If a new group of eiders or scoters moves into an area in spring, how coul=
d anyone know if they came from elsewhere in the province or not? You may be=
one of a few that would have a good idea on that but I don=E2=80=99t think y=
ou could be certain.
> =20
> Likewise with robins. There have been groups of hundreds of robins reporte=
d around the province this winter. If an avid birder recognizes a new a grou=
p or robins that moved into their patch, how could they possibly know if the=
y overwintered in NS or not? And frankly what difference does it makes when i=
t comes to robins. We have way too many that over winter to sort out which o=
nes didn=E2=80=99t
> =20
> Keith
> =20
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> =20
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beh=
alf of Eric Mills <E.Mills@Dal.Ca>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 9:07:58 AM
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Spring first arrivals
> =20
> Hello Nancy,
>=20
> So lots of species - Common Eiders, loons, the Scoters, most common gulls,=
Robins, on and on - are excluded from this Citizen Science project.
>=20
> I think that the anonymous cabal (I know who they are; I am just being fac=
etious) that has established these criteria and the list should think again=
. There are many good field birders in Nova Scotia who know their local patc=
hes very well and can make good informed judgements about what has arrived a=
nd what has been around all winter.=20
>=20
> With such a constipated list we will certainly miss new and significant in=
formation about many species. I don't think that is necessary and it is cert=
ainly not desirable.=20
>=20
> Eric
>=20
> Eric L. Mills
> Lower Rose Bay
> Lunenburg Co., NS
> From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beh=
alf of nancy dowd <nancypdowd@gmail.com>
> Sent: March 19, 2018 7:04:16 AM
> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Spring first arrivals
> =20
> These no doubt are Spring First Arrivals, arriving via the route you menti=
oned. So I will use this opportunity to clarify some of the reasoning behind=
the species list on the NSBS Spring First Arrivals table. http://www.nsbird=
society.ca/library/resources/spring-first-arrivals
>=20
> The reason these species are not part of this NSBS dataset: We have exclud=
ed species who have significant overwintering populations in some part of NS=
(see Conclusion section below table), to reduce any entries that require as=
sumptions on our part. For example, did those RB Gulls get blown in from a n=
earby wintering population? Or were the Lesser Black-backs (always a tongue t=
wister) ones already present in SW NS (probably not)? Even Baltimore Orioles=
got nixed due to ambiguity.=20
>=20
> NatureNS will be getting regular updates on Spring First Arrivals as the m=
igration season progresses. So please post any sightings.=20
>=20
> Nancy
>=20
> Sent from my iPad
>=20
> On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:07 PM, Eric Mills <E.Mills@Dal.Ca> wrote:
>=20
>> Two that I believe qualify, with my justification:
>>=20
>> Ring-billed Gull - March 18. 10 bright full adults roosting with Herring G=
ulls off Privateer Park, Liverpool, Queens Co., were not present earlier. Th=
roughout the winter 1-2 Ring-bills, usually first-winter (occasionally adult=
s) have been present.
>>=20
>> Lesser Black-backed Gull - March 11. An adult graellsii arrived among roo=
sting Herring and Greater Black-backed Gulls off Privateer Park, Liverpool, Q=
ueens Co., slept for a while, and then headed off seaward. The timing is con=
sistent with northward movement from wintering areas in the southeastern US=
A (likely toward nesting areas in W Greenland or Iceland, although no doubt b=
y easy stages so early in the season).
>>=20
>> Eric Mills
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Lance I can answer with certainty at least o=
ne of your questions: The table backdated to 2014. And is planned to be ongo=
ing from 2018. <div><br></div><div>The dates between 2014 and 2017 were=
mined from eBird and NSBirds magazine, weighing much heavier on the NSBS pu=
blication reports, mainly Spring issues. If any past arrival dates were ambi=
guous they were not used. Obvious overwintering species were excluded from t=
he start. And as data was picked through many species were culled because th=
ere were birds who remained in winter which overlapped arriving ones. Hence t=
he species list presented. </div><div><br></div><div>Remember this was d=
one by pawing through past records w/o informed observers being present to a=
ssess what was really happening on the ground and their knowledge was, of co=
urse, unrecorded. </div><div><br></div><div>After this fraught discussi=
on, and only speaking for myself, I believe we should start including all sp=
ecies that do indeed arrive in Spring, only leaving out residents like Chick=
adees, from 2018 on. We would have to have informed consensus opinion on man=
y species to ascertain an actual arrival date but not all. But w/ tech it is=
easy to =E2=80=9Cget together=E2=80=9D to do this. That way LBBGull, RBGull=
, and Grackle appearances mentioned below would most likely qualify. And suc=
h a table would certainly be more useful for birders (at least this one).&nb=
sp;</div><div><br></div><div>Just a (long) thought, Nancy<br><br><div id=3D"=
AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Mar 19, 2018, at 4:46=
PM, Keith Lowe <<a href=3D"mailto:mythos25@live.com">mythos25@live.com</=
a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I better apologize to Eric too. To me my email wasn=E2=
=80=99t strong, that was not my intention while writing it but two people ha=
ve written me now and it appeared to them that my email was certainly strong=
er than I intended. I felt disappointment
in Eric=E2=80=99s post and felt it was belittling the effort but I think I a=
lso read more into that than Eric intended.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I mostly wanted to let the group know there were also=
those of us who appreciated their effort. But =E2=80=9Cdisparage=E2=80=9D E=
ric--never would I want to do that.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Keith</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/=
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ens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a> <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a>> o=
n behalf of Alix d'Entremont <<a href=3D"mailto:alixdentremont@hotmail.co=
m">alixdentremont@hotmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 19, 2018 2:19:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.c=
a</a>; Eric L. Mills<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NatureNS] Spring first arrivals</font>
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<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Thanks for this note Keith.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Given that 'Spring First Arrivals'=
is a new initiative and that there are content changes for
<i>NS Birds</i> on the horizon, I think discussion is necessary. Availabilit=
y of data is much different now than during pre-eBird days. We have to take t=
his into account to know where to focus our efforts.
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I do want to apologize to Eric reg=
arding my earlier e-mail. I've known Eric as long as I've been a birder and I=
have nothing but respect for him (I know he knows that too). Lets work toge=
ther and ensure that we focus
our efforts on the most useful tasks. <br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
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<p><span style=3D"font-size:9pt"><strong>Alix Arthur d'Entremont</strong></s=
pan><br>
<span style=3D"font-size:9pt">BSc Geomatics Engineering</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:9pt"><br>
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<span style=3D"font-size:9pt">Middle West Pubnico</span><br>
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ens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a> <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a>> o=
n behalf of Keith Lowe <<a href=3D"mailto:mythos25@live.com">mythos25@liv=
e.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> March 19, 2018 1:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.c=
a</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [NatureNS] Spring first arrivals</font>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">I was quite shocked to read this Eric. Your tone se=
ems over the top in criticizing an initiative from a group of people who vol=
unteered so much time and effort to bring us this information. I did provide=
some data processing to them but
I don=E2=80=99t consider myself part of the =E2=80=9Ccabal=E2=80=9D so I ca=
n say that I think they are doing are great job in proving useful informatio=
n and I=E2=80=99ll be following it for sure. This info is something I=E2=80=99=
ve been wanting for years and I=E2=80=99m glad someone is finally getting it=
done.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">If a new group of eiders or scoters moves into an a=
rea in spring, how could anyone know if they came from elsewhere in the prov=
ince or not? You may be one of a few that would have a good idea on that but=
I don=E2=80=99t think you could be certain.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Likewise with robins. There have been groups of hun=
dreds of robins reported around the province this winter. If an avid birder r=
ecognizes a new a group or robins that moved into their patch, how could the=
y possibly know if they overwintered
in NS or not? And frankly what difference does it makes when it comes to ro=
bins. We have way too many that over winter to sort out which ones didn=E2=80=
=99t</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Keith</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Sent from <a id=3D"LPlnk654453" href=3D"https://go.=
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urens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a> <<a href=3D=
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on behalf of Eric Mills <<a href=3D"mailto:E.Mills@Dal.Ca">E.Mills@Dal.C=
a</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 19, 2018 9:07:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.c=
a</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NatureNS] Spring first arrivals</font>
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<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Hello Nancy,</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">So lots of species - Common Eider=
s, loons, the Scoters, most common gulls, Robins, on and on - are excluded f=
rom this Citizen Science project.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">I think that the anonymous cabal (=
I know who they are; I am just being facetious) that has established these c=
riteria and the list should think again. There are many good field bir=
ders in Nova Scotia who know their
local patches very well and can make good informed judgements about what ha=
s arrived and what has been around all winter.
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">With such a constipated list we w=
ill certainly miss new and significant information about many species. I don=
't think that is necessary and it is certainly not desirable.
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Eric</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Eric L. Mills</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Lower Rose Bay</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Lunenburg Co., NS<br>
</p>
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bri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:nat=
urens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a> <<a href=3D=
"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a>>=
on behalf of nancy dowd <<a href=3D"mailto:nancypdowd@gmail.com">nancypd=
owd@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> March 19, 2018 7:04:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.c=
a</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NatureNS] Spring first arrivals</font>
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<div dir=3D"auto">These no doubt are Spring First Arrivals, arriving via the=
route you mentioned. So I will use this opportunity to clarify some of the r=
easoning behind the species list on the NSBS Spring First Arrivals table.&nb=
sp;<a id=3D"LPlnk999897" style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)" href=
=3D"http://www.nsbirdsociety.ca/library/resources/spring-first-arrivals" pre=
viewremoved=3D"true"><font color=3D"#000000">http://www.nsbirdsociety.ca/lib=
rary/resources/spring-first-arrivals</font></a>
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<div>The reason these species are not part of this NSBS dataset: We have exc=
luded species who have significant overwintering populations in some part of=
NS (see Conclusion section below table), to reduce any entries that require=
assumptions on our part. For
example, did those RB Gulls get blown in from a nearby wintering population=
? Or were the Lesser Black-backs (always a tongue twister) ones already pres=
ent in SW NS (probably not)? Even Baltimore Orioles got nixed due to ambigui=
ty. </div>
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<div>NatureNS will be getting regular updates on Spring First Arrivals as th=
e migration season progresses. So please post any sightings. </div>
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<div>Nancy<br>
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<div id=3D"x_x_AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPad</div>
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On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:07 PM, Eric Mills <<a id=3D"LPlnk117973" href=3D"ma=
ilto:E.Mills@Dal.Ca" previewremoved=3D"true">E.Mills@Dal.Ca</a>> wrote:<b=
r>
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<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Two that I believe qualify, with m=
y justification:</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Ring-billed Gull - March 18. 10 b=
right full adults roosting with Herring Gulls off Privateer Park, Liverpool,=
Queens Co., were not present earlier. Throughout the winter 1-2 Ring-bills,=
usually first-winter (occasionally
adults) have been present.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Lesser Black-backed Gull - March 1=
1. An adult
<i>graellsii</i> arrived among roosting Herring and Greater Black-backed Gul=
ls off Privateer Park, Liverpool, Queens Co., slept for a while, and then he=
aded off seaward. The timing is consistent with northward movement from wint=
ering areas in the southeastern
USA (likely toward nesting areas in W Greenland or Iceland, although no dou=
bt by easy stages so early in the season).</p>
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</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Eric Mills<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
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