[NatureNS] Great Blues in decline?

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Not to mention, now that eagle populations are high, this is no longer in a=
ny way necessary to get good photos of them. I see eagles regularly in Cape=
 Breton, sometimes in very odd spots indeed. I know people enjoy going to t=
he eagle watch events and like the ease of taking photos at them but if eag=
le numbersxare out of balance and causing=C2=A0 problems for other species =
perhaps it is time to stop feeding them. Cheers,Margaret

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  On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 at 5:23 PM, nancy dowd<nancypdowd@gmail.com> wrote:  =
 Many share the view, myself included, that supplemental feeding of chicken=
 carcasses to eagles causes harm. Eagle population increases lead to outrig=
ht predation on young of other species as outlined below, threaten similar =
species through habitat displacement (RT Hawks were mentioned by one person=
) and might alter the behaviour and health of the Bald Eagle itself. Is it =
really necessary to watch Bald Eagles attack one another over food for our =
enjoyment? There is plenty of dead stuff around for scavengers, like eagles=
, to feed on (road kill, unwanted parts after hunters dress their deer, sma=
ll scale farm remains etc). Industrial =C2=A0carcass feeding was OK(?) when=
 eagle numbers were small but is unnecessary now.
An issue that needs some serious consideration.=C2=A0

Nancy

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On Apr 15, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Donna Crossland <dcrossland@eastlink.ca> wrot=
e:


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I am just re-reading some of the Nature NS exchanges.=C2=A0 The ecological =
succession of coastal island forests described by Lance is fascinating.=C2=
=A0 I am reminded of a recent discussion with Dr Malcolm Hunter.=C2=A0 He a=
sked about our eagle populations.=C2=A0 It seems that they are growing all =
over the eastern seaboard and this has lead to the disappearance of entire =
heron colonies in the US.=C2=A0 I understand this is occurring here also to=
 some extent.=C2=A0 I shared with him the impacts the eagle populations see=
m to be having on loon chicks recently.
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It's all about balance.=C2=A0 Industrial farming and other human-caused str=
essors, knock ecosystem components out of kilter, but there are some ways t=
o minimize our impacts if we want to address the issues.=C2=A0 Rendering pl=
ants for poultry carcasses is one easy fix.=C2=A0 Are the cormorants partly=
 filling a niche that is being vacated by declining heron populations?=C2=
=A0 (I'm a 'forest dweller', so I am less familiar with our coastal dynamic=
s.)
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Donna Crossland
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Hi Everyone,
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That=E2=80=99s the usual cycle of Great Blue Heron and Double-creasted Corm=
orant nesting on Nova Scotia Islands.
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Grass > Brambles> Shrubs > Trees > double-crested cormorants/great blue her=
ons > Trees > Shrubs/brambles > Grass
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 =C2=A0
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Guano is a great fertilizer, rich in nitrogen, phosphate and potassium, but=
 like any fertilizer, too much is not a good thing and as everyone who has =
visited a cormorant or great blue heron colony knows, they produce a lot of=
 guano.
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 =C2=A0
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The Great Blue Herons move to start the process on another treed island onc=
e the trees are all killed and can no longer support a nest structure (alth=
ough I did come across Great Blue Herons nesting on an island in a lake in =
Yarmouth County once).=20
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The Grass stage is prolonged as long as gulls and/or the cormorants start n=
esting on the ground. Common Eiders can be in the mix at several stages.=20
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 =C2=A0
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The Grass stage ends and plant succession begins when these ground nesting =
species are forced to move off the island and erosion hasn=E2=80=99t reduce=
d the island to mostly bare rock.
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Cheers,
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Lance
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Lance Laviolette
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Glen Robertson, Ontario
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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] =
On Behalf Of John and Nhung
 Sent: March 29, 2018 10:36 AM
 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
 Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [NatureNS] Cormorants and Great Blues
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Here=E2=80=99s s story from before your time, John K.!=C2=A0=20
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Years ago, the island in mid-Yarmouth Harbour was well-treed.=C2=A0 Mighta =
been back in the =E2=80=9970=E2=80=99s that cormorants started to get more =
abundant and really liked that island.=C2=A0 Lotsa bushes on the island now=
; all the spruce trees died out.
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 =C2=A0
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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] =
On Behalf Of Nick Hill
 Sent: March 29, 2018 10:21 AM
 To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
 Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Cormorants and Great Blues
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 =C2=A0
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John, are double-crested cormorants becoming a disturbance and habitat enri=
chment problem here in NS..similar in a way to herring gulls?
  =20
Nick
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On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 10:02 AM, John Kearney <john.kearney@ns.sympatico.c=
a> wrote:
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Hi All,
 Two Double-crested Cormorants and six Great Blue Herons arrived at the Joh=
ns Island nesting colony in Yarmouth Harbour this morning. There seemed to =
be more cormorants crouching in grass, perhaps recovering from their journe=
y. I couldn=E2=80=99t tell for sure.
 None of these were there yesterday when I checked.
 John
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Dr. N.M.Hill
 Fern Hill Institute of Plant Conservation
 424 Bentley Road, Berwick, NS, B0P 1E0
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 phone 902-698-0416
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Not to mention, now that eagle populations are high, this is no longer in a=
ny way necessary to get good photos of them. I see eagles regularly in Cape=
 Breton, sometimes in very odd spots indeed. I know people enjoy going to t=
he eagle watch events and like the ease of taking photos at them but if eag=
le numbersxare out of balance and causing&nbsp; problems for other species =
perhaps it is time to stop feeding them. Cheers,<div id=3D"yMail_cursorElem=
entTracker_1523840644657">Margaret<br><div id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker=
_1523840615545"><br><div id=3D"ymail_android_signature"><a href=3D"https://=
go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=3DInProduct&amp;c=3DGlobal_Internal_YGrowth_And=
roidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&amp;af_wl=3Dym&amp;af_sub1=3DInternal&amp;af_sub=
2=3DGlobal_YGrowth&amp;af_sub3=3DEmailSignature">Sent from Yahoo Mail on An=
droid</a></div> <br> <blockquote style=3D"margin: 0 0 20px 0;"> <div style=
=3D"font-family:Roboto, sans-serif; color:#6D00F6;"> <div>On Sun, 15 Apr 20=
18 at 5:23 PM, nancy dowd</div><div>&lt;nancypdowd@gmail.com&gt; wrote:</di=
v> </div> <div style=3D"padding: 10px 0 0 20px; margin: 10px 0 0 0; border-=
left: 1px solid #6D00F6;"> <div id=3D"yiv2244619162"><div><div>Many share t=
he view, myself included, that supplemental feeding of chicken carcasses to=
 eagles causes harm. Eagle population increases lead to outright predation =
on young of other species as outlined below, threaten similar species throu=
gh habitat displacement (RT Hawks were mentioned by one person) and might a=
lter the behaviour and health of the Bald Eagle itself. Is it really necess=
ary to watch Bald Eagles attack one another over food for our enjoyment? Th=
ere is plenty of dead stuff around for scavengers, like eagles, to feed on =
(road kill, unwanted parts after hunters dress their deer, small scale farm=
 remains etc). Industrial &nbsp;carcass feeding was OK(?) when eagle number=
s were small but is unnecessary now.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><di=
v>An issue that needs some serious consideration.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none"><=
div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Nancy<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none=
"><div id=3D"yiv2244619162AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPad</div><div c=
lass=3D"yiv2244619162yqt7535567386 yQTDBase" id=3D"yiv2244619162yqt85777"><=
div><br clear=3D"none">On Apr 15, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Donna Crossland &lt;<a=
 rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:dcrossland@eastlink.ca" =
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:dcrossland@eastlink.ca">dcrossland@eastlin=
k.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>
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    </div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"yiv2244619162y=
qt7535567386 yQTDBase" id=3D"yiv2244619162yqt42360"><div><p>I am just re-re=
ading some of the Nature NS exchanges.&nbsp; The
      ecological succession of coastal island forests described by Lance
      is fascinating.&nbsp; I am reminded of a recent discussion with Dr
      Malcolm Hunter.&nbsp; He asked about our eagle populations.&nbsp; It =
seems
      that they are growing all over the eastern seaboard and this has
      lead to the disappearance of entire heron colonies in the US.&nbsp; I
      understand this is occurring here also to some extent.&nbsp; I shared
      with him the impacts the eagle populations seem to be having on
      loon chicks recently.</p>
    <p>It's all about <u>balance</u>.&nbsp; Industrial farming and other
      human-caused stressors, knock ecosystem components out of kilter,
      but there are some ways to minimize our impacts if we want to
      address the issues.&nbsp; Rendering plants for poultry carcasses is o=
ne
      easy fix.&nbsp; Are the cormorants partly filling a niche that is bei=
ng
      vacated by declining heron populations?&nbsp; (I'm a 'forest dweller'=
,
      so I am less familiar with our coastal dynamics.)<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <p>Donna Crossland<br clear=3D"none">
    </p>
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <div class=3D"yiv2244619162moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-03-29 12:26 PM, Lav=
iolette,
      Lance wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;">Hi
            Everyone,</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;">That=E2=80=99s
            the usual cycle of Great Blue Heron and Double-creasted
            Cormorant nesting on Nova Scotia Islands.</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;">Grass
            &gt; Brambles&gt; Shrubs &gt; Trees &gt; double-crested
            cormorants/great blue herons &gt; Trees &gt; Shrubs/brambles
            &gt; Grass</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;">Guano
            is a great fertilizer, rich in nitrogen, phosphate and
            potassium, but like any fertilizer, too much is not a good
            thing and as everyone who has visited a cormorant or great
            blue heron colony knows, they produce a lot of guano.</span></p=
>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;">The
            Great Blue Herons move to start the process on another treed
            island once the trees are all killed and can no longer
            support a nest structure (although I did come across Great
            Blue Herons nesting on an island in a lake in Yarmouth
            County once).
            </span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;">The
            Grass stage is prolonged as long as gulls and/or the
            cormorants start nesting on the ground. Common Eiders can be
            in the mix at several stages. </span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;">The
            Grass stage ends and plant succession begins when these
            ground nesting species are forced to move off the island and
            erosion hasn=E2=80=99t reduced the island to mostly bare rock.<=
/span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;">Cheers,</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;">Lance</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;">Lance Laviolette</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;">Glen Robertson, Ontario</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <div>
          <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:=
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            <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font=
-size:11.0pt;"> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv2244619162mo=
z-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owne=
r@chebucto.ns.ca</a>
                [<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv2244619162m=
oz-txt-link-freetext" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca" targ=
et=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">mailto:naturens=
-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>John and Nhung<br clear=3D"none">
                <b>Sent:</b> March 29, 2018 10:36 AM<br clear=3D"none">
                <b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv2=
244619162moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.c=
a" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebu=
cto.ns.ca</a><br clear=3D"none">
                <b>Subject:</b> EXTERNAL: RE: [NatureNS] Cormorants and
                Great Blues</span></p>=20
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;">Here=E2=80=99s
            s story from before your time, John K.!&nbsp;
            </span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;">Years
            ago, the island in mid-Yarmouth Harbour was well-treed.&nbsp;
            Mighta been back in the =E2=80=9970=E2=80=99s that cormorants s=
tarted to get
            more abundant and really liked that island.&nbsp; Lotsa bushes =
on
            the island now; all the spruce trees died out.</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;">
            <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens-o=
wner@chebucto.ns.ca" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebuc=
to.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a> [<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca" target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.n=
s.ca</a>]
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Hill<br clear=3D"none">
            <b>Sent:</b> March 29, 2018 10:21 AM<br clear=3D"none">
            <b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto=
:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebuct=
o.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a><br clear=3D"none">
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NatureNS] Cormorants and Great Blues</span=
></p>=20
        <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal">John, are double-crested co=
rmorants
              becoming a disturbance and habitat enrichment problem here
              in NS..similar in a way to herring gulls?</p>=20
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          <div>
            <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal">Nick</p>=20
          </div>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
          <div>
            <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal">On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 10:=
02 AM, John
              Kearney &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mai=
lto:john.kearney@ns.sympatico.ca" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:john.kea=
rney@ns.sympatico.ca">john.kearney@ns.sympatico.ca</a>&gt;
              wrote:</p>=20
            <p class=3D"yiv2244619162MsoNormal">Hi All,<br clear=3D"none">
              Two Double-crested Cormorants and six Great Blue Herons
              arrived at the Johns Island nesting colony in Yarmouth
              Harbour this morning. There seemed to be more cormorants
              crouching in grass, perhaps recovering from their journey.
              I couldn=E2=80=99t tell for sure.<br clear=3D"none">
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              John<br clear=3D"none">
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              Fern Hill Institute of Plant Conservation<br clear=3D"none">
              424 Bentley Road, Berwick, NS, B0P 1E0<br clear=3D"none">
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