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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Good solid thinking Dave!</span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">We took the solution you mention to the=
Islands<br/></span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">in Mahone Bay with MICA except we raise=
d the money<br/></span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">and bought the islands. 20 + at the pre=
sent. Putting<br/></span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">your money where your mouth is has a lo=
t of benefits!<br/></span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Enjoy the spring<br/></span>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Paul<br/></span>
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On May 30, 2018 at 4:49 PM David <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:
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Dear Johns & All,
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    Whereas both Johns are intelligent and rational, I assume=
you are pulling my leg but, for the benefit of those who suppose you are s=
erious, I will undertake a back of envelope  risk analysis.
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    And to put this in context I remind you of the irate adul=
t who fumed "Do you know how many times that rabbit of yours would have=
died if I hadn't taken care of it ? And his child says "Once ?"=
; Probability is tricky. 
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1)    About 1% of woodland in NS is cut annually and, allowin=
g for down time and adverse weather, over roughly 10 months/year; 0.1% per =
month >> 0.25%  over the sensitive period May 1- July 15.
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    So the chance of a given nest being in an area cut during=
the sensitive period ia about 1 in 400.
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2)     Assuming two breeding years, starting in the 2nd year,=
four eggs per year, no second nest if the first is destroyed and steady st=
ate population only 2 can survive to the start of the 4th year; counting th=
e initial adults 8 of 10 must die. That is 80% or 320 in 400. 
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3)     Thus the overall risk experienced by these birds is ab=
out 320 times as great as the risk experienced due to forestry operations.
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4)    Remember also that, other matters being equal, a death =
early on increases the survival rate of the remainder.
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5)    Those who wish to prove how easily this imaginary risk =
could be reduced to zero, by not cutting during the sensitive period, might=
consider borrowing several million, buying some woodland, keeping careful =
records and seeing how that turns out.
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6) Alternatively one could turn the clock back 100 years, give or take =
a few, and undertake predator reduction; Crows, Jays, Hawks....
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Yt, DW, Kentville
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From: "John and Nhung" <
nhungjohn@eastlink.ca>
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naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
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Sent: 5/30/2018 10:06:56 AM
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Subject: RE: [NatureNS] Killing Endangered Species on Private Land is O=
k
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">John I think y=
our idea of a closed season for cutting makes a lot of sense, and may be wo=
rth pursuing.  For sure, there would need to be discussion and comprom=
ise, but it could be an initiative that reduces damage to forest species du=
ring breeding season.</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Where <strong>=
is </strong>Bill Lahey=E2=80=99s e-mail?  </span><span style=3D"font-f=
amily: Wingdings; color: #1f497d;">J</span><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; fo=
nt-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></strong><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-seri=
f';"> <a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@c=
hebucto.ns.ca</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">=
naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>John Kearn=
ey<br/><strong>Sent:</strong> May 30, 2018 8:22 AM<br/><strong>To:</strong>=
naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<br/=
><strong>Subject:</strong> RE: [NatureNS] Killing Endangered Species on Pri=
vate Land is Ok</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear David,</p>=20
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m not against the small independent =
logger. But I do want them to refrain from logging in May through mid-July =
whether it is clearcutting or selective harvesting. And if they insist on c=
utting at that time, they should do a science-based survey for the endanger=
ed and sensitive species in the woodlot and avoid the areas they inhabit. S=
tewardship should never be sacrificed for profit margins. As radical as thi=
s sounds, the creatures of the forest should be regarded with the same dign=
ity as you rightfully bestow on the small independent logger. </p>=20
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">John</p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong><span>From:</span></strong><span> <a=
href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.c=
a</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens-owner@=
chebucto.ns.ca</a>> <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>David<br/><strong>Sen=
t:</strong> Tuesday, May 29, 2018 19:09<br/><strong>To:</strong> <a href=3D=
"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a><br/><strong>Su=
bject:</strong> Re: [NatureNS] Killing Endangered Species on Private Land i=
s Ok</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family=
: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">Hi John & All,</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family=
: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">    As I am sure all wo=
uld agree, the crucial step in understanding and managing any complex syste=
m is identification of the coarse controls. If these, the large effects, ar=
e overlooked or out of adjustment then fiddling with the fine controls is j=
ust wishful thinking.</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family=
: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">    The Common Nighthaw=
k nests on bare ground and eats flying insects. It has been decades since I=
have heard a Nighthawk over Kentville. If anything, clearcut logging with =
lots of decaying brush to spawn insects should favor Nighthawks; nesting si=
tes plus food. </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family=
: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">     Do you honest=
ly suppose that logging has caused this collapse of flying insects and Nigh=
thawks ? Way above that tiny effect I would wager oversanitazion; doggy doo=
to the landfill (insane !; doggy doo is a resource for invertebrates and p=
lants), yard trash bundled for indoor composting (insane; yard trash is the=
staff of life for many invertebrates), Bug zappers and the like (towns are=
death zones for flying insects; gee I wonder why bats got white mouth ?).&=
#160;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family=
: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">    Pogo, about 1956 hi=
t the nail on the head while looking at a swamp half filled with assorted t=
rash, "I have seen the enemy and he is us." And unfortunately far t=
oo few people noticed; or noticed and forgot.</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family=
: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">    Did your Nighthawk =
fly up from a nest or just fly into view from elsewhere ? Does it matter ? =
Birds are killed on public highways in great numbers. Should someone walk a=
head of each vehicle with a lantern so this does not happen ? </span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family=
: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">    Another endangered =
species is the independent tree harvester. The profit margins are paper thi=
n or negative and down time can land you in debt. Thus we have advanced to =
forestry by mowing machines 24/365. </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family=
: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">    In my vie=
w the small independent logger, especially if selective cutting is practice=
d, should be subsidized (as in much of Europe) and not treated like some un=
touchable.</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family=
: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">    End of rant.</span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family=
: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">------ Original Message ------</s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family=
: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From: "John Kearney" <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:john.kearney@ns.sympatico.ca">john.kearney@ns.sympatico.=
ca</a>></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family=
: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">To: <a href=3D"mailto:naturens@ch=
ebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear NatureNS readers, <span style=3D"font-s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-famil=
y: 'Comic Sans MS';">I wish to express my sorrow about the state of=
environmental policy in the Province of Nova Scotia. I thought I couldn=E2=
=80=99t get more disheartened when the Premier indicated that oil and gas d=
evelopment should be permitted in Marine Protected Areas. While such a stat=
ement would be par for the course (no pun intended) for US President, Donal=
d Trump. I didn=E2=80=99t expect it here.</span></p>=20
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y: 'Comic Sans MS';"> </span></p>=20
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-famil=
y: 'Comic Sans MS';">Yesterday, however, this sorrow hit closer to =
home. In my home village of Carleton, in Yarmouth County, I witnessed what =
I believe to be the destruction of a Common Nighthawk nest by a forestry op=
eration. I believe this because I was listening to a tree harvesting machin=
e, blocked from my view from a stand of softwood, but very loud as I was on=
ly a couple hundred of meters away. All of a sudden, at about 2 PM, a Commo=
n Nighthawk flew up from where the machine was harvesting and subsequently =
circled the machine a couple of times before disappearing.</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-famil=
y: 'Comic Sans MS';">I immediately called the local office of the D=
epartment of Natural Resources. The regional biologist was not in but about=
an hour later a wildlife technician called to tell me not to worry. The bi=
ologist had indicated that Common Nighthawks don=E2=80=99t nest in the fore=
st and have a wide foraging area so it was just passing by. I disputed this=
claim, noted that forestry should not be permitted during the bird breedin=
g season, and asked that at minimum, the Department inform the landowner th=
at an endangered species, listed under the Species at Risk Act, was likely =
nesting in the area of forestry operations.  I was then informed there=
was nothing the government would do because the forestry operation was on =
private land.</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-famil=
y: 'Comic Sans MS';">So despite the fact that it is against the law=
(Migratory Birds Convention Act) to destroy the nest, eggs, or young of a =
migratory bird, and despite the fact the Common Nighthawk is protected by f=
ederal and Nova Scotia species at risk legislation, it is ok to destroy the=
nest, eggs, or young of an endangered migratory bird if it is on private p=
roperty. I wonder if they are planning on allowing the hunting of fawns and=
moose calves on private property year-round too?</span></p>=20
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y: 'Comic Sans MS';">Thanks for listening to my lament.</span></p>=
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