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Hi Nancy,
The leaf confirms the ID; hobblebush; Viburnum lantanoides Michx.
DW, Kentville
------ Original Message ------
From: "NancyDowd" <nancypdowd@gmail.com>
To: "naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: 5/31/2018 10:10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Flowering Dogwood
>I was just on the road this morning. Blooming is over (4 days hence).=20
>But here are closer views showing the leaves, spent flowers and reddish=20
>stems. Note the plant is along the open edge of this woodsy road,=20
>forest behind and it is the only one along the whole road it seems.
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/28601303478/in/dateposted-publ=
ic/
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/27602735257/in/dateposted-publ=
ic/
>
>Hope this helps clarify its ID. Thanks for all the input.
>
>Nancy
>
>
>>On May 31, 2018, at 7:05 AM, Nick Hill <fernhillns@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Totally
>>The leaves of both are simple but the hobble bush has thicker textured=20
>>leaves and this dogwood has smoother leaves with the distinctive=20
>>telltale veins of the dogwood.. the veins diverge from the midrib of=20
>>the leaf but then follow along the main axis and head to the tip of=20
>>the leaf without getting to the leaf margin.
>>
>>Flowers of both in clusters. The clusters of hobble bush are flat and=20
>>composed of small fertile flowers in the inside that make the berries=20
>>and larger sterile flowers like white lobed platters all around the=20
>>edge. These attract the insects and make the world go round but even=20
>>without insects the berries are produced by self fertilization of the=20
>>bisexual flowers...bagging inflorescences showed this. Alternate=20
>>leaves dogwood berries go through a metallic blue phase, the hobble a=20
>>red phase, and then both end up black.
>>
>>Question: I think both are adapted to shade. Hobble bush grows=20
>>coarsely when its canopy is cut down and then is food for deer.=20
>>Alternate dogwood gets what seems to be a fungus when it is in sheer=20
>>sun...what is this fungus that turns the branches orange and kills=20
>>this tree?
>>
>>On May 30, 2018 11:09 PM, "Doug Linzey" <doug@fundymud.com> wrote:
>>There still seems to be some uncertainty about species / common names.
>>The hobble-bush (Viburnum lantanoides) is an early bloomer, and is
>>similar to but is not a dogwood (cornus). The hobble-bush on my=20
>>property
>>is just about finished blooming. It tends to live naturally in=20
>>forested,
>>well-shaded areas and readily spreads through stem layering and root
>>suckering, so you'll often find lots of plants together. The
>>alternate-leaf dogwood, or pagoda dogwood (Cornus alternifolia), on=20
>>the
>>other hand, is just coming into bloom now. It likes more sun than
>>hobble-bush and tends to grow larger, with thicker stems, and=20
>>cultivated
>>in a sunny spot can be quite impressive when in bloom. Both shrubs are
>>native to Nova Scotia. Their leaves are quite different and=20
>>distinctive,
>>and thus pretty easy to identify.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Doug Linzey
>>
>>
>>On 28-May-18 4:08 AM, NancyDowd wrote:
>> > Thank you all for the ID help. I was not near enough the bush to get=
=20
>>a good look and was not going to cross the ditch to do so. Hobblebush=20
>>must have a long flowering season as I am sure I have noted it in=20
>>flower in July as well. A fast grower.
>> >
>> > Nancy
>> >
>> >> On May 27, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Ian Manning <ianmanning4@gmail.com>=20
>>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Nancy,
>> >>
>> >> Re the dogwood, I guess you're thinking of alternate-leaved dogwood=
=20
>>which is pretty common in NS, at least when you're walking in a good=20
>>spots. Next time you come across one, take a good look at it. I find=20
>>it's the easiest shrub to reliably ID at all times of the year because=20
>>of it's flat spreading tier-like branching pattern (there's probably=20
>>other shrubs that branch similar but none I can think of) and at least=20
>>wherever I've seen, it's always infected with a orange rust fungus=20
>>(golden canker of alternate leaved dogwood) on at least one branch, I=20
>>can only ever remember seeing one without it, though that's just my=20
>>impression from Kings/Annapolis Co, where I do most of my tromping.
>> >>
>> >> Ian
>> >>
>> >> On 27 May 2018 at 18:29, David <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi All,
>> >> Thanks Ian, for the confirmation. Some species names get=20
>>swapped at intervals. Fernald (1950) has V. lantanoides Michx. as a=20
>>synonym of V. alnifolium. The constant, as you say, is hobblebush. The=20
>>fruit is a good nibble but seldom seen at the right time. It fruits=20
>>reliably in a garden setting.
>> >> Yt, DW, Kentville
>> >>
>> >> ------ Original Message ------
>> >> From: "Ian Manning" <ianmanning4@gmail.com>
>> >> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
>> >> Sent: 5/27/2018 3:03:18 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Flowering Dogwood
>> >>
>> >>> Yep. That=E2=80=99s V. lantanoides name has changed, I call it hobbl=
ebush.
>> >>>
>> >>>> On May 27, 2018, at 12:03 PM, nancy dowd <nancypdowd@gmail.com>=20
>>wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And I see multiple reddish stems I think. So likely not a tree at=
=20
>>all.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Nancy
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On May 27, 2018, at 10:54 AM, David <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Nancy & All,
>> >>>>> You may be correct because I find photos to be a poor=20
>>substitute for the real thing. But this looks more like a very tall=20
>>variant of Viburn