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>>variant of Viburn Yep. Sure looks like hobble-bush. Definitely not the dogwood leaf. Doug Linzey On 31-May-18 10:10 AM, NancyDowd wrote: > I was just on the road this morning. Blooming is over (4 days hence). But here are closer views showing the leaves, spent flowers and reddish stems. Note the plant is along the open edge of this woodsy road, forest behind and it is the only one along the whole road it seems. > https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/28601303478/in/dateposted-public/ > https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/27602735257/in/dateposted-public/ > > Hope this helps clarify its ID. Thanks for all the input. > > Nancy > > >> On May 31, 2018, at 7:05 AM, Nick Hill <fernhillns@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Totally >> The leaves of both are simple but the hobble bush has thicker textured leaves and this dogwood has smoother leaves with the distinctive telltale veins of the dogwood.. the veins diverge from the midrib of the leaf but then follow along the main axis and head to the tip of the leaf without getting to the leaf margin. >> >> Flowers of both in clusters. The clusters of hobble bush are flat and composed of small fertile flowers in the inside that make the berries and larger sterile flowers like white lobed platters all around the edge. These attract the insects and make the world go round but even without insects the berries are produced by self fertilization of the bisexual flowers...bagging inflorescences showed this. Alternate leaves dogwood berries go through a metallic blue phase, the hobble a red phase, and then both end up black. >> >> Question: I think both are adapted to shade. Hobble bush grows coarsely when its canopy is cut down and then is food for deer. Alternate dogwood gets what seems to be a fungus when it is in sheer sun...what is this fungus that turns the branches orange and kills this tree? >> >> On May 30, 2018 11:09 PM, "Doug Linzey" <doug@fundymud.com> wrote: >> There still seems to be some uncertainty about species / common names. >> The hobble-bush (Viburnum lantanoides) is an early bloomer, and is >> similar to but is not a dogwood (cornus). The hobble-bush on my property >> is just about finished blooming. It tends to live naturally in forested, >> well-shaded areas and readily spreads through stem layering and root >> suckering, so you'll often find lots of plants together. The >> alternate-leaf dogwood, or pagoda dogwood (Cornus alternifolia), on the >> other hand, is just coming into bloom now. It likes more sun than >> hobble-bush and tends to grow larger, with thicker stems, and cultivated >> in a sunny spot can be quite impressive when in bloom. Both shrubs are >> native to Nova Scotia. Their leaves are quite different and distinctive, >> and thus pretty easy to identify. >> >> Cheers, >> Doug Linzey >> >> >> On 28-May-18 4:08 AM, NancyDowd wrote: >>> Thank you all for the ID help. I was not near enough the bush to get a good look and was not going to cross the ditch to do so. Hobblebush must have a long flowering season as I am sure I have noted it in flower in July as well. A fast grower. >>> >>> Nancy >>> >>>> On May 27, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Ian Manning <ianmanning4@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Nancy, >>>> >>>> Re the dogwood, I guess you're thinking of alternate-leaved dogwood which is pretty common in NS, at least when you're walking in a good spots. Next time you come across one, take a good look at it. I find it's the easiest shrub to reliably ID at all times of the year because of it's flat spreading tier-like branching pattern (there's probably other shrubs that branch similar but none I can think of) and at least wherever I've seen, it's always infected with a orange rust fungus (golden canker of alternate leaved dogwood) on at least one branch, I can only ever remember seeing one without it, though that's just my impression from Kings/Annapolis Co, where I do most of my tromping. >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>>> On 27 May 2018 at 18:29, David <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote: >>>> Hi All, >>>> Thanks Ian, for the confirmation. Some species names get swapped at intervals. Fernald (1950) has V. lantanoides Michx. as a synonym of V. alnifolium. The constant, as you say, is hobblebush. The fruit is a good nibble but seldom seen at the right time. It fruits reliably in a garden setting. >>>> Yt, DW, Kentville >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Ian Manning" <ianmanning4@gmail.com> >>>> To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca >>>> Sent: 5/27/2018 3:03:18 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Flowering Dogwood >>>> >>>>> Yep. That’s V. lantanoides name has changed, I call it hobblebush. >>>>> >>>>>> On May 27, 2018, at 12:03 PM, nancy dowd <nancypdowd@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> And I see multiple reddish stems I think. So likely not a tree at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nancy >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 27, 2018, at 10:54 AM, David <dwebster@glinx.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Nancy & All, >>>>>>> You may be correct because I find photos to be a poor substitute for the real thing. But this looks more like a very tall variant of Viburnum alnifolium; usually only knee high. >>>>>>> Dogwood is also readily recognized by the bark; as you might suppose. >>>>>>> They do not survive long in dense woodland and are thus more common along road edges or in small glades generated by windfall or cutting. >>>>>>> Yt, DW, Kentville >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>> From: "NancyDowd" <nancypdowd@gmail.com> >>>>>>> To: "naturens@chebucto.ns.ca" <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca> >>>>>>> Sent: 5/27/2018 9:57:19 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [NatureNS] Flowering Dogwood >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Always a random, but happy, encounter when I come across a Flowering Dogwood tree in the woods. I do not find many of them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/150605880@N07/42385040971/in/dateposted-public/ >>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/