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re: expanding universe:
It is predicted by relativity theory. If any part of the universe begins to=
expand it will cause all of it to expand. Ditto for collapsing. At the tim=
e there was no observational evidences for it, so Einstein put in a "fudge =
factor" to keep the universe from collapsing, which he thought was more lik=
ely. Hubble then found that the universe was expanding and Einstein changed=
his fudge factor to zero, calling it the biggest mistake he had ever made.
Emission and absorption of light does not work as you describe it. Each ato=
m and molecule can absorb and emit specific wavelengths of electromagnetic =
radiation (visible light being a very narrow band of wavelengths). In the l=
ab, with no relative motion between the source and the observer, these alwa=
ys occur at the same wavelength. When an object moves towards, or away from=
the observer, the wavelength become shorter or longer, respectively, becau=
se light travels as a wave. The same thing happens to sound waves, which is=
why the sound of a vehicle with a siren appears to have a different sound =
coming towards you than going away from you.
What Hubble found was that outside of the Local Group of galaxies to which =
the Milky Way belong, the farther away the galaxies were, the more ALL of t=
he wavelengths were longer (and redder). See the astronomy section of: htt=
ps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppler_effect
The Doppler shift also allows us to work out the speed at which galaxies ar=
e moving away from us, and what Hubble found (now called Hubble's Law) is t=
hat the speed is proportional to the distance from us. The only way this ca=
n happen is in an expanding universe. If you put dots on a balloon and infl=
ate it, you will see that all the dots move away from each other, and if yo=
u measure the distances between them, you will find that the farther away t=
he dots are, the faster they move apart.
The Big Bang Theory also predicts such things as the about of each of the c=
hemical elements, as well as other testable predictions, including the exis=
tence and exact shape of the energy distribution of the cosmic microwave ba=
ckground which, at that time, was not observable. It was discovered by acci=
dent, some years later, by two researchers at Bell Labs who could not figur=
e out why their new large microwave receiver, which they had built to see i=
f microwaves could be used to transmit telephone data, kept picking up a ba=
ckground hiss from all directions. The later won the Nobel Prize in Physics=
for their discovery. In fact, the Big Bang Theory explains the overall str=
ugtero of the observable universe from the present, all the way back to Pla=
nck Time (10E-43 seconds; that is a decimal point, 43 zeros and then a 1).
Pat
On May 2, 2020, at 3:19 PM, David Webster wrote:
CAUTION: The Sender of this email is not from within Dalhousie.
Hi John and All,
True, the so called 'soft sciences' are deformable but even physics has=
pitfalls. There were many 'final' answers to explain how the Crooks radiom=
eter works and that is a very simple mechanism. You can take it apart chang=
e vanes in various ways; etc.
Thus, in the face of "undeniable proof", I refuse to accept an expandi=
ng universe. Space has many "clouds" of atoms, molecules, ions and particle=
s. So the probability of a photon being absorbed by something and then emit=
ted at a longer wavelength can be expected to increase as distance between =
the source and observer increases.
Any Physicist who suggested that such heresy should be investigated wou=
ld be Hubbleized out of the inner sanctum and ,at the very least, have his =
funds cut off. But all things come in their time.
YT, Dave W. Kentville
On 5/2/2020 2:19 PM, John and Nhung wrote:
Some of the =93social scientists=94 CBC seems inclined to interview are cer=
tainly given to amazing leaps of logic, such that =93scientist=94 shouldn=
=92t be part of their titles. The hypotheses that said =93some=94 advance =
are plausible and the questions they raise are important, but their tendenc=
ies to assert their hypotheses as certitude rub me the wrong way.
But I digress =85 :)
From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca<mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> [=
mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of David Webster
Sent: May 2, 2020 1:43 PM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Covid-19 data - Tracking covid-19 excess deaths acr=
oss countries | Graphic detail | The Economist
Thanks Patrick,
I especially enjoyed "This sales technique, reminiscent of pre-Reformation =
Catholicism, is not surprising in a publication named after the social scie=
nce most given to wild guesses and imaginary facts presented in the guise o=
f inevitability and exactitude. "
It reminded me of the 60's saying "If all economists were laid end to e=
nd they would all point in different directions." Which in turn led to "If=
all the girls from Redacted College were laid end to end I wouldn't be sur=
prised".
Dave W. Kentville
On 5/2/2020 12:29 PM, Patrick Kelly wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist
Look under =93editorial anonymity=94 and you will see why they have always =
taken the approach that they do.
Pat
Sent from my iPad
On May 2, 2020, at 12:23 PM, David Webster <dwebster@glinx.com<mailto:dwebs=
ter@glinx.com>> wrote:
CAUTION: The Sender of this email is not from within Dalhousie.
Hi Mary &All,
Thanks for posting this.
Over time I have received several complementary issues of The
Economist but never subscribed because all of the articles were
anonymous. Has this changed ?
Dave, Kentville
On 5/2/2020 10:47 AM, Mary Macaulay wrote:
This article may be approaching the scientific data people are looking for.=
As always with the Economist, nicely illustrated graphically:
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-exces=
s-deaths-across-countries
With kindest regards
Mary (Macaulay), P.Eng.
CEO Insect Recovery Project
Social Enterprise - Tatamagouche Remember Adventures & Caper Cafe
Bed & Breakfast, Pedal Buggy, bike, kayak, coaster & snowshoe rentals, grea=
t bird friendly coffee, organic baking, breakfast & pasta, soups, stews, ve=
gan curries & chili, pollinator meadow, games & more!!
(Cafe/Buggies Open Wed to Sunday: 8:00 am - 3 pm; Tatamagouche B&B phone me=
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re: expanding universe:
<div><br>
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<div>It is predicted by relativity theory. If any part of the universe begi=
ns to expand it will cause all of it to expand. Ditto for collapsing. At th=
e time there was no observational evidences for it, so Einstein put in a &q=
uot;fudge factor" to keep the universe
from collapsing, which he thought was more likely. Hubble then found that =
the universe was expanding and Einstein changed his fudge factor to zero, c=
alling it the biggest mistake he had ever made.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Emission and absorption of light does not work as you describe it. Eac=
h atom and molecule can absorb and emit specific wavelengths of electromagn=
etic radiation (visible light being a very narrow band of wavelengths). In =
the lab, with no relative motion
between the source and the observer, these always occur at the same wavele=
ngth. When an object moves towards, or away from the observer, the waveleng=
th become shorter or longer, respectively, because light travels as a wave.=
The same thing happens to sound
waves, which is why the sound of a vehicle with a siren appears to have a =
different sound coming towards you than going away from you. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What Hubble found was that outside of the Local Group of galaxies to w=
hich the Milky Way belong, the farther away the galaxies were, the more ALL=
of the wavelengths were longer (and redder). See the astronomy secti=
on of:
<a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppler_effect">https://en.wikiped=
ia.org/wiki/Doppler_effect</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Doppler shift also allows us to work out the speed at which galaxi=
es are moving away from us, and what Hubble found (now called Hubble's Law)=
is that the speed is proportional to the distance from us. The only way th=
is can happen is in an expanding
universe. If you put dots on a balloon and inflate it, you will see that a=
ll the dots move away from each other, and if you measure the distances bet=
ween them, you will find that the farther away the dots are, the faster the=
y move apart. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Big Bang Theory also predicts such things as the about of each of =
the chemical elements, as well as other testable predictions, including the=
existence and exact shape of the energy distribution of the cosmic microwa=
ve background which, at that time,
was not observable. It was discovered by accident, some years later, by tw=
o researchers at Bell Labs who could not figure out why their new large mic=
rowave receiver, which they had built to see if microwaves could be used to=
transmit telephone data, kept picking
up a background hiss from all directions. The later won the Nobel Prize in=
Physics for their discovery. In fact, the Big Bang Theory explains the ove=
rall strugtero of the observable universe from the present, all the way bac=
k to Planck Time (10E-43 seconds;
that is a decimal point, 43 zeros and then a 1).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Pat</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<p>Hi John and All,</p>
<p> True, the so called 'soft sciences' are deformable bu=
t even physics has pitfalls. There were many 'final' answers to explain how=
the Crooks radiometer works and that is a very simple mechanism. You can t=
ake it apart change vanes in various ways; etc.<br>
</p>
<p> Thus, in the face of "undeniable proof", I =
refuse to accept an expanding universe. Space has many "clouds&q=
uot; of atoms, molecules, ions and particles. So the probability of a photo=
n being absorbed by something and then emitted at a longer wavelength can
be expected to increase as distance between the source and observer increa=
ses. <br>
</p>
<p> Any Physicist who suggested that such heresy should b=
e investigated would be Hubbleized out of the inner sanctum and ,at the ver=
y least, have his funds cut off. But all things come in their time.</p>
<p>YT, Dave W. Kentville<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 5/2/2020 2:19 PM, John and Nhung wrote:<b=
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<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebuct=
o.ns.ca">naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca</a> [<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freete=
xt" href=3D"mailto:naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca">mailto:naturens-owner@che=
bucto.ns.ca</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Webster<br>
<b>Sent:</b> May 2, 2020 1:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:naturens@ch=
ebucto.ns.ca">
naturens@chebucto.ns.ca</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NatureNS] Covid-19 data - Tracking covid-19 excess dea=
ths across countries | Graphic detail | The Economist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Thanks Patrick,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I especially enjoyed "<span style=3D"color:#202122;background:white=
">This sales technique, reminiscent of pre-Reformation Catholicism, is not =
surprising in a publication named after the social science most given to wi=
ld guesses and imaginary facts presented
in the guise of inevitability and exactitude. "</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Segoe
UI","sans-serif";color:#202122"> &nbs=
p; It reminded me of the 60's saying "If all economists were laid end =
to end they would all point in different directions." Which in t=
urn led to "If all the girls from Redacted
College were laid end to end I wouldn't be surprised".</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Segoe
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Pat<o:p></o:p></p>
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On May 2, 2020, at 12:23 PM, David Webster <<a href=3D"mailto:dwebster@g=
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Hi Mary &All,<br>
<br>
Thanks for posting this.<br>
<br>
Over time I have received several complementary issues of=
The<br>
Economist but never subscribed because all of the articles were<br>
anonymous. Has this changed ?<br>
<br>
Dave, Kentville<br>
<br>
On 5/2/2020 10:47 AM, Mary Macaulay wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This article may be approaching the scientific data =
people are looking for. As always with the Economist, nicely illustrated gr=
aphically:<o:p></o:p></p>
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