[NatureNS] does eating soap harm Deer Mice

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Cheap chocolate, I understand, also contains small amounts.
Jane

From: Patrick Kelly=20
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:23 PM
To: mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] does eating soap harm Deer Mice

I have eaten food-grade paraffin on many occasions, It's the shiny glaze =
on a recipe for peanut butter balls. As noted, it's not digestible and =
passes through the digestive system with no ill effect.=20


On Nov 11, 2013, at 8:32 PM, David & Alison Webster wrote:


  Hi Nancy,                        Nov 11, 2013
    Homemade cake soap could be quite alkaline and caustic so it would =
be questionable food for mice or men (includes women).

    Retail cake soap is I think nearly neutral or at least neutral =
enough to not remove skin. Cake soap is a sodium or potassium  salt of a =
long chain fatty acid (one arm of three of a trigliceride if I correctly =
recall) and should do in a pinch. There might be some glycerine =
(harmless). The perfumes etc that get added for consumer appeal are =
likely harmless. Any animal that can eat fat should do ok on soap and =
have clean teeth to boot.

      Paraffin was is harmless but I doubt that it is digestable.
  Yt, DW, Kentville
  ----- Original Message ----- From: "nancy dowd" <nancypdowd@gmail.com>
  To: <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:39 AM
  Subject: [NatureNS] does eating soap harm Deer Mice



    A friend, who used to inspect old houses for potential buyers, said =
he always knew there were Deer Mice around b/c he would find chewed up =
soap bars and candles. Like Deer Mice, my Labrador also eats soap (and =
balls of wool and=85) due to the tallow or lanolin present. But when he =
eats these items they are soon thrown up- rejected as undigestible.



    I can see how a candle might go down OK but do not understand how =
Deer Mice survive after eating soap? Isn't it as impossible for them to =
digest as it is for the Lab? Or do they just hoard it and never actually =
eat it?



    Nancy





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<DIV>Cheap chocolate, I understand, also contains small amounts.</DIV>
<DIV>Jane</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NatureNS] does eating soap harm Deer=20
Mice</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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have eaten food-grade paraffin on many occasions, It's the shiny glaze =
on a=20
recipe for peanut butter balls. As noted, it's not digestible and passes =
through=20
the digestive system with no ill effect.=20
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<DIV>On Nov 11, 2013, at 8:32 PM, David &amp; Alison Webster =
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Nancy,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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  Nov 11, 2013<BR>&nbsp; Homemade cake soap could be quite alkaline and =
caustic=20
  so it would be questionable food for mice or men (includes=20
  women).<BR><BR>&nbsp; Retail cake soap is I think nearly neutral or at =
least=20
  neutral enough to not remove skin. Cake soap is a sodium or =
potassium&nbsp;=20
  salt of a long chain fatty acid (one arm of three of a trigliceride if =
I=20
  correctly recall) and should do in a pinch. There might be some =
glycerine=20
  (harmless). The perfumes etc that get added for consumer appeal are =
likely=20
  harmless. Any animal that can eat fat should do ok on soap and have =
clean=20
  teeth to boot.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Paraffin was is harmless but =
I doubt=20
  that it is digestable.<BR>Yt, DW, Kentville<BR>----- Original Message =
-----=20
  From: "nancy dowd" &lt;<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:nancypdowd@gmail.com">nancypdowd@gmail.com</A>&gt;<BR>To: =
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  Monday, November 11, 2013 6:39 AM<BR>Subject: [NatureNS] does eating =
soap harm=20
  Deer Mice<BR><BR><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">A friend, who used to inspect old houses for =

    potential buyers, said he always knew there were Deer Mice around =
b/c he=20
    would find chewed up soap bars and candles. Like Deer Mice, my =
Labrador also=20
    eats soap (and balls of wool and=85) due to the tallow or lanolin =
present. But=20
    when he eats these items they are soon thrown up- rejected as=20
    undigestible.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">I can see how a candle might go down OK but =
do not=20
    understand how Deer Mice survive after eating soap? Isn't it as =
impossible=20
    for them to digest as it is for the Lab? Or do they just hoard it =
and never=20
    actually eat it?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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  <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">Nancy<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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