[NatureNS] wind turbines

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Hi Nick & All,                            Apr 15, 2015
    I agree almost entirely with your analysis Nick.=20

    In the real world, most choices involve selecting the lesser of two =
evils and, given available options, I have felt for decades that wind =
was way better than alternatives and should be quickly developed to the =
maximum possible.
   =20
    Nuclear however may make a comeback eventually. The great =
disadvantage of conventional Nuclear Power has been the production of =
radioactive waste (unless you happen to want the waste for potential =
production of dirty atomic weapons). But  an alternative based on =
Thorium, in addition to modular design advantages, leads to 95% less =
nuclear waste.=20

    But that is for the distant future and, meanwhile, ways to cut =
carbon emissions so climates and ecosystems do not enter an interactive =
death spiral should be top on the agenda. Without meaningful cuts in =
carbon emissions there will be no distant future for many species in =
much of the world.

Yt, Dave Webster, Kentville
----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Nicholas Hill=20
  To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca=20
  Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 4:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [NatureNS] wind turbines


  This isn't an apology for wind farms but context. What are we to use =
for power?
  If we use fossil C then the impact on climate and variability of =
weather patterns are more pronounced.
  If we use  large scale hydro we get large impacts on the functionally =
important and biodiverse riparian zone. Major use of forest for biomass =
energy will have widespread impact on forest soils their carbon reserves =
and on forest diversity.
  Nuclear is an option that few appear to  support.
  Given the lineup, as naturalists one might think we would look on wind =
more favorably than the others from a habitat and biodiversity =
viewpoint.=20
  having been part of an assessment of impacts of wind turbines on =
wetlands and privee to the process of assessing impacts on birds, I was =
impressed at the scrutiny exercised by DNR wildlife division. These are =
complex issues and none, save major reduction in energy use, are without =
impacts. It is good that naturalists show their concerns over these =
choices.

  Nick

   n Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Fred Schueler <bckcdb@istar.ca> =
wrote:
  >
  > On 4/15/2015 11:19 AM, Laviolette, Lance (EXP) wrote:
  >
  >> Lastly, the last time I looked at the guidelines for conducting =
bird inventories at potential sites they appeared to be inadequate. =
Determining whether there was a risk to migrating birds by censusing a =
site 2-3 times during the fall migrating period just doesn't cut it. =
That was a while ago so perhaps they've now been improved.
  >
  >
  > * back in the 19th Century, Uncle Henry David affirmed that to =
understand a landscape we need one full-time recording naturalist for =
every six miles (each 10km square in modern parlance).
  >
  > I've never seen any evidence that he was wrong about this.
  >
  > fred.
  > ------------------------------------------------------------
  >           Frederick W. Schueler & Aleta Karstad
  > Daily Paintings - http://karstaddailypaintings.blogspot.com/
  > Vulnerable Watersheds - http://vulnerablewaters.blogspot.ca/
  > Mudpuppy Night in Oxford Mills - http://pinicola.ca/mudpup1.htm
  >     RR#2 Bishops Mills, Ontario, Canada K0G 1T0
  >    on the Smiths Falls Limestone Plain 44* 52'N 75* 42'W
  >     (613)258-3107 <bckcdb at istar.ca> http://pinicola.ca/
  > ------------------------------------------------------------


  On Apr 15, 2015 2:40 PM, "Fred Schueler" <bckcdb@istar.ca> wrote:

    On 4/15/2015 11:19 AM, Laviolette, Lance (EXP) wrote:


      Lastly, the last time I looked at the guidelines for conducting =
bird inventories at potential sites they appeared to be inadequate. =
Determining whether there was a risk to migrating birds by censusing a =
site 2-3 times during the fall migrating period just doesn't cut it. =
That was a while ago so perhaps they've now been improved.


    * back in the 19th Century, Uncle Henry David affirmed that to =
understand a landscape we need one full-time recording naturalist for =
every six miles (each 10km square in modern parlance).

    I've never seen any evidence that he was wrong about this.

    fred.
    ------------------------------------------------------------
              Frederick W. Schueler & Aleta Karstad
    Daily Paintings - http://karstaddailypaintings.blogspot.com/
    Vulnerable Watersheds - http://vulnerablewaters.blogspot.ca/
    Mudpuppy Night in Oxford Mills - http://pinicola.ca/mudpup1.htm
        RR#2 Bishops Mills, Ontario, Canada K0G 1T0
       on the Smiths Falls Limestone Plain 44* 52'N 75* 42'W
        (613)258-3107 <bckcdb at istar.ca> http://pinicola.ca/
    ------------------------------------------------------------

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<DIV>Hi Nick &amp; All,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I agree almost entirely with your analysis Nick. =
</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In the real world, most choices involve =
selecting the=20
lesser of two evils and, given available options, I have felt for =
decades that=20
wind was way better than alternatives and should be quickly developed to =
the=20
maximum possible.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Nuclear however may make a comeback eventually. =
The=20
great disadvantage of conventional Nuclear Power has been the production =
of=20
radioactive waste (unless you happen to want the waste for potential =
production=20
of dirty atomic weapons). But&nbsp; an alternative based on Thorium, in =
addition=20
to modular design advantages,&nbsp;leads to&nbsp;95% less&nbsp;nuclear =
waste.=20
</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; But that