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Hi Ronald and all=3B
=20
Thank you for this. I had not considered a fulvous whistling duck as a pos=
sibility. It is close to what I saw=2C but I did not see a head crown and =
I believe the back was much lighter with a strong separation from the black=
of the wings in contrast to the back and the rest of the wings. I do not =
believe that it was that species.=20
Sincerely=2C
James R. Hirtle
=20
Date: Fri=2C 19 Oct 2012 12:42:06 -0300
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Unknown duck
From: rongarsenault@gmail.com
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Hello James=2C
I few thoughts which came to mind as I was reading your post:
1. An aberrant individual of one of the common species.
2. A domestic duck escaped from captivity. (There are quite a few fanciers =
and quite a number of domestic breeds=2C including crosses between the vari=
ous breeds.)
3. A hybrid=2C where one should consider not only wild birds=2C but crosses=
between domestic and wild birds and back-crosses in subsequent generations=
.
And finally=2C although a very long shot=2C your description reminded me of=
a female Fulvous Whistling Duck.
Enjoy to challenge and hope you get to see the duck again=2C with better lu=
ck with your camera!
Cheers!
Ron
On Fri=2C Oct 19=2C 2012 at 11:36 AM=2C James Hirtle <jrhbirder@hotmail.com=
> wrote:
Thank you Paul. I ruled out a ring-necked duck as the bird that I saw was =
much lighter and the way it sat on the water and swam did not fit in with a=
ring-necked duck. It's actions and build were more like that of a teal an=
d that is why I thought initially that it might be a female blue-winged tea=
l. The bill shape also was more like that ot a pintail. The coloration of=
the bird as per the body and the black wing tips is reflective of a cinnam=
on teal=2C but the size of the bird would rule that option out. I thought =
about a female garganey=2C but the bird was not that dark and I did not see=
an eyeline. Have you ever seen a female northern pintail with black on th=
e last three to four inches of the wings? If not I'm drawing a blank as to=
what the duck might have been. The pintail would be the most logical choi=
ce=2C but I can't say that I was able to see the extended tail. Maybe that=
would not show in a juvenile. I've not had enough experience with them to=
know. Again I appreciate your knowledge and look forward to what you thin=
k. Thank you again.
=20
Sincerely=2C
=20
James
James R. Hirtle
=20
Date: Fri=2C 19 Oct 2012 06:25:39 -0700
From: paulrita2001@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Unknown duck
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
The most likely duck in Nova Scotia for a duck slightly smaller
than a black is a Ring-necked Duck?
Why would you not rule that out first?
Paul
From: James Hirtle <jrhbirder@hotmail.com>
To: Naturens Naturens <naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>=20
Sent: Friday=2C October 19=2C 2012 12:42:29 AM
Subject: [NatureNS] Unknown duck
Hi all:
=20
A number of weeks back I had a mystery duck at Broad Cove. It was a rainy =
day and my initial impression was of a blue-winged teal. Upon closer inspe=
ction through the scope I decided that my id was wrong. The duck bothered =
me as it was smaller than an American black duck nearby=2C but not by a who=
le lot. So I ruled out teal. I'm now thinking maybe a female northern pin=
tail. It was a light brown/tawny color with a black bill. The body shape =
definitely was distinctive of a pintail. The part that bothers me about th=
e id is that the wings folded over the back were jet black. Not the whole =
wing=2C but about three or four inches of the wing ends. I've ruled out ga=
dwall as the tail would have been black. If this is a feature on a femal=
e pintail=2C I've never noticed it before=2C the books do not really show t=
hat as an id. Maybe it was a juvenile bird. Paul MacDonald=2C I know has =
had a lot of experience with ducks and if you read this Paul I would really=
appreciate your opinion. Of course anyone else with knowledge along those=
lines=2C I also would appreciate your thoughts and thank you in advance. =
I tried to get photos=2C but admittedly failed. =20
=20
The other bird that I saw that I will mention was what I would discribe as =
a crow with a short tail=2C that was the size of a blue jay. This bird I o=
bserved on Saturday. I was rushing home for a dinner engagement and did no=
t wish to be late for it. As I came to a stop in Bridgewater at the light =
by the Bridgewater Tim Hortons=2C at the East Side Plaza=2C this bird came =
gliding across in front of me. At first I thought it was just an American =
crow=2C but I took a second take and realized that it was only blue jay siz=
e. The distance was maybe ten feet in front of me when the bird went by. =
It landed upon the roof of the Tim Hortons on the edge. It appeared as ver=
y small and blue jay size at that angle as well. When it hopped down off t=
he edge onto the roof itself=2C it was so tiny that I could no longer see i=
t. I'm sorry that I did not have time to pull in and view it better. I've=
since tried to relocate this bird=2C but have not been successful. Unless=
I can relocate it and get photos or someone else happens to see it we will=
leave it as an unknown. =20
=20
James R. Hirtle
Bridgewater
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Ronald G. Arsenault
Moncton=2C N.B.
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<FONT size=3D3>Hi Ronald and all=3B</FONT><BR>
<FONT size=3D3></FONT> =3B<BR>
<FONT size=3D3>Thank you for this. =3B I had not considered a fulvous w=
histling duck as a possibility. =3B It is close to what I saw=2C but I =
did not see a head crown and I believe the back was much lighter with a str=
ong separation from the black of the wings in contrast to the back and the =
rest of the wings. =3B I do not believe that it was that species. =
=3B<BR>
<BR id=3DFontBreak></FONT>Sincerely=2C<BR><BR>James R. Hirtle<BR><BR> =
=3B<BR>
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<DIV id=3DSkyDrivePlaceholder></DIV>
<HR id=3DstopSpelling>
Date: Fri=2C 19 Oct 2012 12:42:06 -0300<BR>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Unknown =
duck<BR>From: rongarsenault@gmail.com<BR>To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<BR><BR=
>Hello James=2C
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I few thoughts which came to mind as I was reading your post:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>1.  =3BAn aberrant individual of one of the common species.</DIV>
<DIV>2. A domestic duck escaped from captivity. (There are quite a few fanc=
iers and quite a number of domestic breeds=2C including crosses between the=
various breeds.)</DIV>
<DIV>3. A hybrid=2C where one should consider not only wild birds=2C but cr=
osses between domestic and wild birds and back-crosses in subsequent genera=
tions.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>And finally=2C although a very long shot=2C your description reminded =
me of a female Fulvous Whistling Duck.<BR><BR>Enjoy to challenge and hope y=
ou get to see the duck again=2C with better luck with your camera!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Cheers!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ron<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Decxgmail_quote>On Fri=2C Oct 19=2C 2012 at 11:36 AM=2C James H=
irtle <SPAN dir=3Dltr><=3B<A href=3D"mailto:jrhbirder@hotmail.com">jrhbir=
der@hotmail.com</A>>=3B</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid=3B PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" clas=
s=3Decxgmail_quote>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT size=3D3>Thank you Paul. =3B I ruled out a ring-ne=
cked duck as the bird that I saw was much lighter and the way it sat on the=
water and swam did not fit in with a ring-necked duck. =3B It's action=
s and build were more like that of a teal and that is why I thought initial=
ly that it might be a female blue-winged teal. =3B The bill shape also =
was more like that ot a pintail. =3B The coloration of the bird as per =
the body and the black wing tips is reflective of a cinnamon teal=2C but th=
e size of the bird would rule that option out. =3B I thought about a fe=
male garganey=2C but the bird was not that dark and I did not see an eyelin=
e. =3B Have you ever seen a female northern pintail with black on the l=
ast three to four inches of the wings? =3B If not I'm drawing a blank a=
s to what the duck might have been. =3B The pintail would be the most l=
ogical choice=2C but I can't say that I was able to see the extended tail.&=
nbsp=3B Maybe that would not show in a juvenile. =3B I've not had enoug=
h experience with them to know. =3B Again I appreciate your knowledge a=
nd look forward to what you think. =3B Thank you again.</FONT><BR><FONT=
size=3D3></FONT> =3B<BR><FONT size=3D3>Sincerely=2C</FONT><BR><FONT si=
ze=3D3></FONT> =3B<BR><FONT size=3D3>James<BR><BR></FONT><BR><BR>James =
R. Hirtle<BR><BR> =3B<BR>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<HR>
Date: Fri=2C 19 Oct 2012 06:25:39 -0700<BR>From: <A href=3D"mailto:paulrita=
2001@yahoo.com">paulrita2001@yahoo.com</A><BR>Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Unkno=
wn duck<BR>To: <A href=3D"mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca">naturens@chebucto=
.ns.ca</A>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3Dh5><BR><BR>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman=2Cnew york=2Ctimes=2Cserif=3B FO=
NT-SIZE: 12pt">
<DIV><SPAN>The most likely duck in Nova Scotia for a duck slightly smaller<=
/SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent=3B FONT-STYLE: normal=3B FONT-F=
AMILY: 'times new roman'=2C'new york'=2Ctimes=2Cserif=3B FONT-SIZE: 16px"><=
SPAN>than a black is a Ring-necked Duck?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent=3B FONT-STYLE: normal=3B FONT-F=
AMILY: 'times new roman'=2C'new york'=2Ctimes=2Cserif=3B FONT-SIZE: 16px"><=
SPAN>Why would you not rule that out first?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent=3B FONT-STYLE: normal=3B FONT-F=
AMILY: 'times new roman'=2C'new york'=2Ctimes=2Cserif=3B FONT-SIZE: 16px"><=
SPAN>Paul</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent=3B FONT-STYLE: normal=3B FONT-F=
AMILY: 'times new roman'=2C'new york'=2Ctimes=2Cserif=3B FONT-SIZE: 16px"><=
SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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=3B FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
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<HR SIZE=3D1>
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> James Hirtle <=3B<A=
href=3D"mailto:jrhbirder@hotmail.com">jrhbirder@hotmail.com</A>>=3B<BR><=
B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Naturens Naturens <=3B=
naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>=
=3B <BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday=2C Oct=
ober 19=2C 2012 12:42:29 AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject=
:</SPAN></B> [NatureNS] Unknown duck<BR></FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT size=3D3>Hi all:</FONT><BR><FONT size=3D3></FONT> =
=3B<BR><FONT size=3D3>A number of weeks back I had a mystery duck at Broad =
Cove. =3B It was a rainy day and my initial impression was of a blue-wi=
nged teal. =3B Upon closer inspection through the scope I decided that =
my id was wrong. =3B The duck bothered me as it was smaller than an Ame=
rican black duck nearby=2C but not by a whole lot. =3B So I ruled out t=
eal. =3B I'm now thinking maybe a female northern pintail. =3B It w=
as a light brown/tawny color with a black bill. =3B The body shape defi=
nitely was distinctive of a pintail. =3B The part that bothers me about=
the id =3Bis that the wings folded over the back were jet black. =
=3B Not the whole wing=2C but about three or four inches of the wing ends.&=
nbsp=3B I've ruled out gadwall as the tail would have been black. =3B&n=
bsp=3B =3B If this is a feature on a female pintail=2C I've never notic=
ed it before=2C the books do not really show that as an id. =3B Maybe i=
t was a juvenile bird. =3B Paul MacDonald=2C I know has had a lot of ex=
perience with ducks and if you read this Paul I would really appreciate you=
r opinion. =3B Of course anyone else with knowledge along those lines=
=2C I also would appreciate your thoughts and thank you in advance. =3B=
I tried to get photos=2C but admittedly failed. =3B </FONT><BR> =
=3B<BR><FONT size=3D3>The other bird that I saw that I will mention was wha=
t I would discribe as a crow with a short tail=2C that was the size of a bl=
ue jay. =3B =3BThis bird I observed on Saturday. =3B I was rush=
ing home for a dinner engagement and did not wish to be late for it. =
=3B As I =3Bcame to a stop in Bridgewater at the light by the Bridgewat=
er Tim Hortons=2C at the East Side Plaza=2C this bird came gliding across i=
n front of me. =3B At first I thought it was just an American crow=2C b=
ut I took a second take and realized that it was only blue jay size. =
=3B The =3Bdistance was maybe ten feet in front of me when the bird wen=
t by. =3B It landed upon the roof of the Tim =3BHortons on the edge=
. =3B =3BIt appeared as very small and blue jay size at that angle =
as well. =3B When it hopped down =3Boff the edge onto =3Bthe ro=
of itself=2C it was so =3Btiny that I could no longer see it. =3B I=
'm sorry that I did not have time to pull in and view it better. =3B I'=
ve since tried to relocate this bird=2C but have not been successful. =
=3B =3BUnless I can relocate it and get photos or someone else happens =
to see it we will leave it as an unknown. =3B </FONT> =3B<BR> =
=3B<BR><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt" size=3D3>James R. Hirtle</FONT><BR><=
FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt" size=3D3>Bridgewater<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></D=
IV></DIV><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUO=
TE></DIV><BR><BR clear=3Dall>
<DIV><BR></DIV>-- <BR>Ronald G. Arsenault<BR>Moncton=2C N.B.<BR></DIV></DIV=
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