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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:35 PM, N Robinson <nrobbyn@gmail.com>
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Hi Dave and All,
Usually I agree with many of the points you make on this site, and I k=
now you you like being contrarian at times, but in this one you are just to=
tally and factually wrong. Any cat that can walk; even cats that are "born=
couch potatoes"; will soon revert back to the natural hunter instincts the=
y were born with if given the opportunity. To say otherwise is just not tru=
e and naive. All the best.
Fritz McEvoy
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From: naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <naturens-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> on beha=
lf of David & Alison Webster <dwebster@glinx.com>
Sent: January 24, 2016 11:48 AM
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Vancouver has new "bird strategy"
Hi Nick & All, Jan 24, 2016
I agree Nick. As you likely are aware, cat is a four letter word on Na=
turens for many flawed reasons. Some cats are, without doubt, born hunters =
and this trait was at one time highly regarded as in "the mother is a great=
mouser". But most current cats are born couch potatoes.
In our own yard we have had shortening available year round for 4 (?) y=
ears (and over winter for >45 years), within easy leap of an interested cat=
, and about 10 neighbourhood cats who wander in and out from time to time. =
But I have seen a cat expressing interest in birds only once and it took of=
f like a scared cat when I tapped on the window.
Apart from the odd Shrew dropped on the doorstep the only cat/other ani=
mal interaction I have observed in our yard is our cat being hounded indoor=
s many times one summer by a Blue Jay with a nearby nest and out cat being =
attacked by a Raccoon who had apparently forgotten to go back home before d=
awn.
And yes it is best all round to keep cats in at night and harmless to l=
et them run in the daytime but punish if necessary undue interest in birds.
This would a wonderful world, that beats even the song of that name, if=
our worst problem was cats snoring in some patch of sunlight outdoors.
Yt, DW, Kentville
----- Original Message -----
From: Nicholas Hill<mailto:fernhillns@gmail.com>
To: naturens@chebucto.ns.ca<mailto:naturens@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [NatureNS] Vancouver has new "bird strategy"
Grayson and Calver (2004, Regulation of cat ownership to protect urban wild=
life: a justification based on the precautionary approach. Royal Zoological=
Society NSW 169-178) found previously that Cat Density was not a predicto=
r of passerine numbers but that distance to bushland and the density of urb=
an housing were (both negative factors). In the study cited above (regulat=
ion of cat ownership etc), they conclude that "cat welfare is the key issue=
in a precautionary approach for protection which respects interests of cat=
owners". Cat welfare means keeping the beasts in at night and desexing the=
m so that we do not have a feral cat problem. In the country here, people l=
et cats breed in outbuildings and this leads to a desperate situation for t=
hese cats and for wildlife.
Other authors warned that conclusions drawn in Britain over the impact of c=
ats (million birds and small mammals killed) were drawn from data on one si=
ngle village study in Felmersham. This author (BM Fitzgerald, 1990. is cat =
control needed to protect wildlife? Environmental Conservation 17: 168-169)=
questioned the extrapolation which we should in a rural area like NS where=
birdlife is spread widely over woodland and clearings
We have 3 desexed rescue cats that are in at night and well fed. There is a=
local impact on mouse, vole and shrew (no birds seen taken yet) but the po=
pulation of these animals is greatly increased by the landuse round the hou=
se..as was observed in Felmersham (rodents and house sparrows there).
Surely all of the following factors need to be considered before we relegat=
e the cat to the indoors:
woodland edges..plant more trees
brush piles..dont be tidy, a pile of woody debris is a refuge for small bir=
ds and voles
sustainable agriculture..minimize use of pesticide sprays (see the " Declin=
es in insectivorous birds associated w hi levels of neonicotinoid" in Natur=
e 511: 341-3 (2014) and http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/07/1=
40709-birds-insects-pesticides-insecticides-neonicotinoids-silent-spring/)
Cats connect people to nature, to animals that still have independence and =
aloofness and are not wholly removed from primary adaptations. This makes t=
hem attractive in connecting and grounding us but it also is why I might be=
hammering away in their defense as they are still predators. The elderly a=
re given robotic substitutes for pets which only reinforces our need of con=
nection with the rest of the living world.
Nick
On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:41 PM, Helene Van Doninck <helene.birdvet@gmail.=
com<mailto:helene.birdvet@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nice to see the endorsement for keeping cats indoors!
Helene
Helene Van Doninck DVM
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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:35 PM, N Robinson <nrobbyn@gmail.com<mailto:nrob=
byn@gmail.com>> wrote:
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