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On 4/25/2020 4:28 PM, Don MacNeill wrote:

> It is not walking alone in Miners Marsh that is the problem David.  If the restrictions were lifted there would be hordes of people looking for places like that to walk, making them problematical in keeping numbers from being in close proximity. The walks there are also narrow. Why should a few take advantage of there being few people there when the rest of us feel we cannot?

* surely the question here is whether keeping track of the Piping 
Plovers, Red-necked Phalaropes, and Killdeer is an essential service. 
Are birders just "nature voyeurs" or frontline workers in the struggle 
to understand what's going on?

Here in Ontario it has been shocking how much field work has been closed 
down: 2020 is going to be a gap in our knowledge of many natural phenomena.

fred.
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> Don MacNeill donmacneill@bellaliant.net
> On 4/25/2020 2:58 PM, David Webster wrote:
>>
>> Hi Peter.
>>
>>         Please explain how walking alone in Miners Marsh, where there 
>> is ample room for social distancing, can endanger anyone.
>>
>>     And by the way; at 85 I would not welcome getting Covid-19 nor do 
>> I imagine that I am immune. And to top it off, sidewalks, unless they 
>> are one way, commonly do not permit a spacing of 6'. And which is 
>> preferable; walking on sidewalks to get exercise or walking alone or 
>> at a minimum distance of 6' in a park ?
>>
>>     This all reminds me of the MSDS flaps. When I read the one for 
>> Boiled Linseed oil I noticed that they had omitted the very real 
>> hazard of spontaneous combustion. When the revised version came out 
>> the directions were to immerse the material that has Boiled Linseed 
>> Oil in a metal can filled with water, secure the lid and store it 
>> outside; no kidding.
>>
>>     And further, it is very bad manners to wish ill on someone who is 
>> simply on the side of common sense, rational caution and good health. 
>> Keeping people cooped up is not conducive to good mental health or 
>> good physical health.
>>
>> YT, DW, Kentville
>>
>> On 4/25/2020 12:26 PM, Parker Donham wrote:
>>> Nonsense! This virus is deadly for a few (especially for old people, 
>>> a demographic that includes a lot of birders) and beyond unpleasant 
>>> for those who get seriously ill from it. Chris Cuomo, the CNN host 
>>> who survived a serious bout described it as like taking two shots of 
>>> Windex and eating a lightbulb."
>>>
>>> Even if you imagine yourself to be immune from it, you are fully 
>>> capable of endangering others by defying the Emergency Public Health 
>>> Order. People can do this for days before they experience any 
>>> symptoms themselves. I'm sorry you are inconvenienced by not being 
>>> able to pursue a pastime we all love with your usual abandon. It is 
>>> far more important to keep yourself and others safe. Walk around your 
>>> near neighbourhood. Enjoy our more mundane, everyday birds. They 
>>> offer plenty of delights.
>>>
>>> If you persist in thumbing your nose at the Emergency Public Health 
>>> Order, I urge others to report you. I hope your car will be impounded 
>>> and a fine imposed.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 10:32 AM David Webster <dwebster@glinx.com 
>>> <mailto:dwebster@glinx.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Don and all,
>>>
>>>         Against the backdrop of endless daily vague jaw wagging by
>>>     the premier, and orders in effect to go up to your bedroom and
>>>     stay there, it seems strange that no map has been released of
>>>     case numbers by County or Nursing Home vs Community. Central,
>>>     Eastern, Western and Northern is a crude indication. This failure
>>>     to inform combined with the early announcement that Nursing Homes
>>>     could not have visitors or release residents for day trips
>>>     suggests coverup. This lockdown has no doubt saved lives however;
>>>     by decreasing the number of motor vehicle accidents.
>>>
>>>         A $1000.00 fine for walking alone in a park is abuse of
>>>     power. Period.
>>>
>>>     Yt, DW, Kentville
>>>
>>>     On 4/25/2020 8:20 AM, Don MacNeill wrote:
>>>>     I don't think it is the fines we should be worrying about, it's
>>>>     the dangers of spreading the virus through unexpected encounters
>>>>     with others or getting into situations where we would need
>>>>     medical or other assistance.  I see from eBird reports that even
>>>>     some of our executive aren't heeding the instructions.
>>>>
>>>>     Don MacNeill donmacneill@bellaliant.net
>>>>     <mailto:donmacneill@bellaliant.net>
>>>>     On 4/24/2020 3:45 PM, James Hirtle wrote:
>>>>>     I've received a report of piping plovers back at Cherry Hill
>>>>>     Beach and also of two red-necked phalaropes there.  I'm not
>>>>>     recommending that people go there.  As much as I would like to
>>>>>     go I will be steering clear as cars are being towed and $700.00
>>>>>     fines being laid.  There is a killdeer near the entrance of the
>>>>>     Broad Cove Beach.  You risk the same chance there of the car
>>>>>     being towed and fines.  I'm just posting these for the record.
>>>>>
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