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Fred:

The potential for a significant data gap is a valid concern. I wonder if
the Bird Society or Nature NS would consider approaching the Medical
Officer of Health with a proposal to allow a limited number of experienced
birders to make specific trips to specific places, with appropriate
safeguards, in order to ensure that gaps in the 2020 data are kept to a
minimum.

I think there's a good chance this might meet with Health Department
approval, especially if you could secure the support of the Wildlife
Division of Lands and Forestry.

On Sat., Apr. 25, 2020, 6:07 p.m. Fred Schueler, <bckcdb@istar.ca> wrote:

> On 4/25/2020 4:28 PM, Don MacNeill wrote:
>
> > It is not walking alone in Miners Marsh that is the problem David.  If
> the restrictions were lifted there would be hordes of people looking for
> places like that to walk, making them problematical in keeping numbers fr=
om
> being in close proximity. The walks there are also narrow. Why should a f=
ew
> take advantage of there being few people there when the rest of us feel w=
e
> cannot?
>
> * surely the question here is whether keeping track of the Piping
> Plovers, Red-necked Phalaropes, and Killdeer is an essential service.
> Are birders just "nature voyeurs" or frontline workers in the struggle
> to understand what's going on?
>
> Here in Ontario it has been shocking how much field work has been closed
> down: 2020 is going to be a gap in our knowledge of many natural phenomen=
a.
>
> fred.
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> > Don MacNeill donmacneill@bellaliant.net
> > On 4/25/2020 2:58 PM, David Webster wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Peter.
> >>
> >>         Please explain how walking alone in Miners Marsh, where there
> >> is ample room for social distancing, can endanger anyone.
> >>
> >>     And by the way; at 85 I would not welcome getting Covid-19 nor do
> >> I imagine that I am immune. And to top it off, sidewalks, unless they
> >> are one way, commonly do not permit a spacing of 6'. And which is
> >> preferable; walking on sidewalks to get exercise or walking alone or
> >> at a minimum distance of 6' in a park ?
> >>
> >>     This all reminds me of the MSDS flaps. When I read the one for
> >> Boiled Linseed oil I noticed that they had omitted the very real
> >> hazard of spontaneous combustion. When the revised version came out
> >> the directions were to immerse the material that has Boiled Linseed
> >> Oil in a metal can filled with water, secure the lid and store it
> >> outside; no kidding.
> >>
> >>     And further, it is very bad manners to wish ill on someone who is
> >> simply on the side of common sense, rational caution and good health.
> >> Keeping people cooped up is not conducive to good mental health or
> >> good physical health.
> >>
> >> YT, DW, Kentville
> >>
> >> On 4/25/2020 12:26 PM, Parker Donham wrote:
> >>> Nonsense! This virus is deadly for a few (especially for old people,
> >>> a demographic that includes a lot of birders) and beyond unpleasant
> >>> for those who get seriously ill from it. Chris Cuomo, the CNN host
> >>> who survived a serious bout described it as like taking two shots of
> >>> Windex and eating a lightbulb."
> >>>
> >>> Even if you imagine yourself to be immune from it, you are fully
> >>> capable of endangering others by defying the Emergency Public Health
> >>> Order. People can do this for days before they experience any
> >>> symptoms themselves. I'm sorry you are inconvenienced by not being
> >>> able to pursue a pastime we all love with your usual abandon. It is
> >>> far more important to keep yourself and others safe. Walk around your
> >>> near neighbourhood. Enjoy our more mundane, everyday birds. They
> >>> offer plenty of delights.
> >>>
> >>> If you persist in thumbing your nose at the Emergency Public Health
> >>> Order, I urge others to report you. I hope your car will be impounded
> >>> and a fine imposed.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 10:32 AM David Webster <dwebster@glinx.com
> >>> <mailto:dwebster@glinx.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>     Hi Don and all,
> >>>
> >>>         Against the backdrop of endless daily vague jaw wagging by
> >>>     the premier, and orders in effect to go up to your bedroom and
> >>>     stay there, it seems strange that no map has been released of
> >>>     case numbers by County or Nursing Home vs Community. Central,
> >>>     Eastern, Western and Northern is a crude indication. This failure
> >>>     to inform combined with the early announcement that Nursing Homes
> >>>     could not have visitors or release residents for day trips
> >>>     suggests coverup. This lockdown has no doubt saved lives however;
> >>>     by decreasing the number of motor vehicle accidents.
> >>>
> >>>         A $1000.00 fine for walking alone in a park is abuse of
> >>>     power. Period.
> >>>
> >>>     Yt, DW, Kentville
> >>>
> >>>     On 4/25/2020 8:20 AM, Don MacNeill wrote:
> >>>>     I don't think it is the fines we should be worrying about, it's
> >>>>     the dangers of spreading the virus through unexpected encounters
> >>>>     with others or getting into situations where we would need
> >>>>     medical or other assistance.  I see from eBird reports that even
> >>>>     some of our executive aren't heeding the instructions.
> >>>>
> >>>>     Don MacNeill donmacneill@bellaliant.net
> >>>>     <mailto:donmacneill@bellaliant.net>
> >>>>     On 4/24/2020 3:45 PM, James Hirtle wrote:
> >>>>>     I've received a report of piping plovers back at Cherry Hill
> >>>>>     Beach and also of two red-necked phalaropes there.  I'm not
> >>>>>     recommending that people go there.  As much as I would like to
> >>>>>     go I will be steering clear as cars are being towed and $700.00
> >>>>>     fines being laid.  There is a killdeer near the entrance of the
> >>>>>     Broad Cove Beach.  You risk the same chance there of the car
> >>>>>     being towed and fines.  I'm just posting these for the record.
> >>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>           Frederick W. Schueler & Aleta Karstad
>           Fragile Inheritance Natural History
> 'Wildlife on Roads' -
>
> http://doingnaturalhistory.blogspot.ca/2018/03/upcoming-book-wildlife-on-=
roads-handbook.html
> 'Daily' Paintings - http://karstaddailypaintings.blogspot.com/
> 4 St-Lawrence Street Bishops Mills, RR#2 Oxford Station, Ontario K0G 1T0
>    on the Smiths Falls Limestone Plain  44.87156=C2=B0 N 75.70095=C2=B0 W
> (613)258-3107 <bckcdb at istar.ca> http://pinicola.ca/
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> "Feasting on Conolophus to the conclusion of consanguinity"
>   -
>
> http://www.lulu.com/shop/frederick-w-schueler/feasting-on-conolophus-to-t=
he-conclusion-of-consanguinity-a-collection-of-darwinian-verses/paperback/p=
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<div dir=3D"auto">Fred:<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The po=
tential for a significant data gap is a valid concern. I wonder if the Bird=
 Society or Nature NS would consider approaching the Medical Officer of Hea=
lth with a proposal to allow a limited number of experienced birders to mak=
e specific trips to specific places, with appropriate safeguards, in order =
to ensure that gaps in the 2020 data are kept to a minimum.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I think there&#39;s a good chance thi=
s might meet with Health Department approval, especially if you could secur=
e the support of the Wildlife Division of Lands and Forestry.</div></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat.,=
 Apr. 25, 2020, 6:07 p.m. Fred Schueler, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bckcdb@istar=
.ca">bckcdb@istar.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>On 4/25/2020 4:28 PM, Don MacNeill wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; It is not walking alone in Miners Marsh that is the problem David.=C2=
=A0 If the restrictions were lifted there would be hordes of people looking=
 for places like that to walk, making them problematical in keeping numbers=
 from being in close proximity. The walks there are also narrow. Why should=
 a few take advantage of there being few people there when the rest of us f=
eel we cannot?<br>
<br>
* surely the question here is whether keeping track of the Piping <br>
Plovers, Red-necked Phalaropes, and Killdeer is an essential service. <br>
Are birders just &quot;nature voyeurs&quot; or frontline workers in the str=
uggle <br>
to understand what&#39;s going on?<br>
<br>
Here in Ontario it has been shocking how much field work has been closed <b=
r>
down: 2020 is going to be a gap in our knowledge of many natural phenomena.=
<br>
<br>
fred.<br>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
<br>
&gt; Don MacNeill <a href=3D"mailto:donmacneill@bellaliant.net" target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">donmacneill@bellaliant.net</a><br>
&gt; On 4/25/2020 2:58 PM, David Webster wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Hi Peter.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Please explain how walking a=
lone in Miners Marsh, where there <br>
&gt;&gt; is ample room for social distancing, can endanger anyone.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 And by the way; at 85 I would not welcome getti=
ng Covid-19 nor do <br>
&gt;&gt; I imagine that I am immune. And to top it off, sidewalks, unless t=
hey <br>
&gt;&gt; are one way, commonly do not permit a spacing of 6&#39;. And which=
 is <br>
&gt;&gt; preferable; walking on sidewalks to get exercise or walking alone =
or <br>
&gt;&gt; at a minimum distance of 6&#39; in a park ?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This all reminds me of the MSDS flaps. When I r=
ead the one for <br>
&gt;&gt; Boiled Linseed oil I noticed that they had omitted the very real <=
br>
&gt;&gt; hazard of spontaneous combustion. When the revised version came ou=
t <br>
&gt;&gt; the directions were to immerse the material that has Boiled Linsee=
d <br>
&gt;&gt; Oil in a metal can filled with water, secure the lid and store it =
<br>
&gt;&gt; outside; no kidding.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 And further, it is very bad manners to wish ill=
 on someone who is <br>
&gt;&gt; simply on the side of common sense, rational caution and good heal=
th. <br>
&gt;&gt; Keeping people cooped up is not conducive to good mental health or=
 <br>
&gt;&gt; good physical health.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; YT, DW, Kentville<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On 4/25/2020 12:26 PM, Parker Donham wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Nonsense! This virus is deadly for a few (especially for old p=
eople, <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; a demographic that includes a lot of birders) and beyond unple=
asant <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; for those who get seriously ill from it. Chris Cuomo, the CNN =
host <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; who survived a serious bout described it as like taking two sh=
ots of <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Windex and eating a lightbulb.&quot;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Even if you imagine yourself to be immune from it, you are ful=
ly <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; capable of endangering others by defying the Emergency Public =
Health <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Order. People can do this for days before they experience any =
<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; symptoms themselves. I&#39;m sorry you are inconvenienced by n=
ot being <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; able to pursue a pastime we all love with your usual abandon. =
It is <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; far more important to keep yourself and others safe. Walk arou=
nd your <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; near neighbourhood. Enjoy our more mundane, everyday birds. Th=
ey <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; offer plenty of delights.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; If you persist in thumbing your nose at the Emergency Public H=
ealth <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Order, I urge others to report you. I hope your car will be im=
pounded <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; and a fine imposed.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 10:32 AM David Webster &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:dwebster@glinx.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dwebster@gl=
inx.com</a> <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dwebster@glinx.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dwebster@glinx.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi Don and all,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Against the backdrop of =
endless daily vague jaw wagging by<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the premier, and orders in effect to go up =
to your bedroom and<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0stay there, it seems strange that no map ha=
s been released of<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0case numbers by County or Nursing Home vs C=
ommunity. Central,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Eastern, Western and Northern is a crude in=
dication. This failure<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to inform combined with the early announcem=
ent that Nursing Homes<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0could not have visitors or release resident=
s for day trips<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0suggests coverup. This lockdown has no doub=
t saved lives however;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0by decreasing the number of motor vehicle a=
ccidents.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A $1000.00 fine for walk=
ing alone in a park is abuse of<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0power. Period.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Yt, DW, Kentville<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 4/25/2020 8:20 AM, Don MacNeill wrote:<b=
r>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I don&#39;t think it is the fines we sh=
ould be worrying about, it&#39;s<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the dangers of spreading the virus thro=
ugh unexpected encounters<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0with others or getting into situations =
where we would need<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0medical or other assistance.=C2=A0 I se=
e from eBird reports that even<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0some of our executive aren&#39;t heedin=
g the instructions.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Don MacNeill <a href=3D"mailto:donmacne=
ill@bellaliant.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">donmacneill@bellal=
iant.net</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:donmacneil=
l@bellaliant.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">donmacneill@bellalia=
nt.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 4/24/2020 3:45 PM, James Hirtle wrot=
e:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;ve received a report of pipin=
g plovers back at Cherry Hill<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Beach and also of two red-necked ph=
alaropes there.=C2=A0 I&#39;m not<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0recommending that people go there.=
=C2=A0 As much as I would like to<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0go I will be steering clear as cars=
 are being towed and $700.00<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fines being laid.=C2=A0 There is a =
killdeer near the entrance of the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Broad Cove Beach.=C2=A0 You risk th=
e same chance there of the car<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0being towed and fines.=C2=A0 I&#39;=
m just posting these for the record.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
------------------------------------------------------------<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Frederick W. Schueler &amp; Aleta Karsta=
d<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Fragile Inheritance Natural History<br>
&#39;Wildlife on Roads&#39; - <br>
<a href=3D"http://doingnaturalhistory.blogspot.ca/2018/03/upcoming-book-wil=
dlife-on-roads-handbook.html" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://doingnaturalhistory.blogspot.ca/2018/03/upcoming-book-wildlife-on=
-roads-handbook.html</a><br>
&#39;Daily&#39; Paintings - <a href=3D"http://karstaddailypaintings.blogspo=
t.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://karstaddaily=
paintings.blogspot.com/</a><br>
4 St-Lawrence Street Bishops Mills, RR#2 Oxford Station, Ontario K0G 1T0<br=
>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0on the Smiths Falls Limestone Plain=C2=A0 44.87156=C2=B0 N 75.=
70095=C2=B0 W<br>
(613)258-3107 &lt;bckcdb at <a href=3D"http://istar.ca" rel=3D"noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">istar.ca</a>&gt; <a href=3D"http://pinicola.ca=
/" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://pinicola.ca/</a><=
br>
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perback/product-23517445.html" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://www.lulu.com/shop/frederick-w-schueler/feasting-on-conolophus-to=
-the-conclusion-of-consanguinity-a-collection-of-darwinian-verses/paperback=
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